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You will see that when privatisation began the fall in infant mortality ceased and actually went up. Just think of how many lives the area under that graph represents. Literally 10s of millions of infants lost to privatisation. Now the Chinese government has made some effort to correct the impacts of those reforms but only through easier access to insurance and tiered payments. It's child mortality rate is well above a country like Cuba.

Actually Cuba is interesting, despite a continued brutal blockade inflicted by the US and being a far poorer nation its infant mortality rate has been better than the US since the turn of the century.

http://knoema.com/atlas/Cuba/topics/Demographics/Mortality/Infant-mortality-rate?compareTo=US,CU

Simple, effective and free healthcare making extraordinary difference to peoples lives. My question to you is should the people of Cuba as they move from a blockaded nation continue with a socialised healthcare system or let the corporations take it over?

To ArmChair Critic.

I checked around for China's infant mortality rate for other internet sources to confirm your article and also look at the US and Australia's rates.

Unfortunately I'm discovering that the numbers don't match between sites and it's difficult to find numbers for the latest years instead of an older website still up recording stats five years old or older. The other aspect to look at is two similar terms. Infant mortality rate and, mortality rate under 5 years old.

Regarding China, here's what I found from two sources. According to http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-01/21/c_137762506.htm
In 2018 the infant mortality rate in 2018 was 6.1 per 1000. A drop from 6.8 in 2017. However the site you posted was an infant morality rate of 8 for 2017. (Perhaps they accidentally reported on the morality rate under 5 years old. That was 8.4 according to the article I found. The data integrity gets worse comparing to other sites as well. According to http://www.geoba.se/population.php?pc=world&page=2&type=019&st=rank&asde=&year=2018
in 2018 China's infant mortality was 13.27. Compare that to both the US in the same statical chart as averaging 5.52, and Australia as 4.21.

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One issue here is where is the data coming from to confirm the results from conflicting sites. (In a different site the average in 2018 for the US was less then 5.52, and I assume the same is true for Australian states by a site that is home based in Australia instead of a world wide study with more likely results to error). A second issue is that the Chinese infant morality rate while going down dramatically over the years is still higher then the rates reported in the US and Australia.

Honestly, I want universal health care to work. And if it can that's great for the country making it work. But I also see countries in modern day as well as in the past jump to a communist style government and then sink dramatically in a short amount of time. Venezuela is the modern example to have suspensions on socialist style countries, and to really weigh out the issues before jumping in.

As for your question on Cuba. I don't know what they should do. I don't trust insurance, but it's better then nothing. Cuba will have to consider if a socialist healthcare will be better or if they won't be able to sustain it. That's going to have to be their judgement call.

......apologies in my last posts. There were meant for SteelRedux not ArmChair Critic.

To Yuyutsu.

Adding the other discussion, don't worry about it. Much of what I said were based on my ongoing observations and criticisms. If you want to correct what I said if it was wrong (if you have time), you can. But no one likes to hear criticism on themselves, and I probably shouldn't have said it the way I did. Either way it's up to you and there's no obligation on your end.

As for this topic, I don't think suggestions should be a competitive thing for whose suggestions are better. The world is a big place and has many issues. Any suggestion to make it better, even if it is just our personal behavior only as Foxy posted, that is something that is worth mentioning and considering.

That said I don't agree with your idea to stop procreating and reduce the population size to 1% of what it is now. If our spirituality can only survive in the best of conditions then it is a very weak spirituality. Instead, it seems at least a few religions came to add assistance to the poor, the burdened, suppressed, and oppressed populations of the world throughout history. It is under such conditions that though the worst parts of mankind can be found harming each other, as well as some of the most rich examples of people doing just the opposite and being better because they examine their beliefs and their attitudes more closely. Bringing them to look to God because of it, or at least bringing them to reject their older attitudes in favor for a better outlook.

I disagree with the suggestion for other reasons as well, but on the merits that you've posed that this will help, I don't think it will be worth it.

To Foxy.

You're definitely highlighting part of the issue in observations where people don't act on prejudices or annoyances while still thinking of ourselves as good and tolerant people. So with this weakness in mind, I would say there are things a person can do to help refuse or eliminate the trend of saying one thing, but doing the opposite.

Here are the clues I would look at. What does the bible say about such matters? There are specific actions that the bible looks at to not do. Even to not call another person an idiot or another demeaning term. By looking at both honing in on specific traits that are good to keep in practice, as well as keeping in mind the behaviors to avoid; then we can actually do what we say we stand for, instead of saying we are for tolerance but not living up to it when our patience is tested.

If not the standards in the bible, then having something for specific standards none the less is one suggestion to avoid falling into the traps of our own anger and other frustrations.

One other suggestion is a mentoring method. Basically, having an example to look to and to strive after, and to guide a person away from making dumb mistakes at a moment's notice. The same method would also encourage more mentors taking up a less experienced person in the field they are in.

For example in the US, becoming an electrician is part education and taking classes, as well as a second part of following an experienced electrician for a period of time to have the example of applying what they've learned and avoiding life threatening issues. I think the mentoring aspect of life should be applied in many other areas of life.

If you have other suggestions on this issue, or challenges on the points I suggested let me know. That's the whole point of this discussion.