Very little is being said by the ABC etc., on Al Jazeera's conspiracy to influence Australian politics.

Does no one find it strangely coincidental that it trapped One Nation in time to influence preference deals for the forthcoming Federal Election?

Such journalism has bought or attention to scandals before
Al J did well
Truth is worth hearing and seeing
Hansons circus had lost a wing long before we saw this Brilliant piece of investigative journalism
Well done AJ

Come on Is Mise, I'm surprised at you.

I thought you would be well aware that with the left it is never the principle, but the side that counts.

Don't worry Pauline, the more they rant against you, the more we all know they are scared of you & the truth you express, & the more support it brings you.

Does my heart good to know you have them worried.

Just a simple question of everyone. How many people actually pay any attention to how to vote cards for the house. Of course the above the line system for the senate it totally immoral, designed to help only the majors, so the simple minded use it.

Belly,

Care to illustrate such truth?

We do know that there has been a lot of lies in the media.

Tell me this is not true, one nation preferences helped Labor win seats in the recent by elections
One nation is weak in all but Queensland
Tell me again this woman will somehow have an influence of Federal politics
Then repeat all that the week after the election
Left, a word warning the person using it is uninformed about politics
Great news story, great insight in to the purely amature nature of one nation
And a pointer to the truth, her followers are lost and in the end hurt Conservatives

There's been so many controversies and outrages over
the past decades from - race-horse ring-ins to Rolf
Harris's fall from grace, to the Fitzgerald Inquiry,
Christopher Scase, Alan Bond, Rose vs Gina, Cash for
Comment, Utegate, Children Overboard, Australian
Wheat Board, Tony Abbott's secret "son", our prison
system that locked up 10 year olds and placed children
as young as 13 in solitary confinement, and more
recently Barnaby's baby, and of course the Royal
Commission into Banking, and also the Royal Commission
into child sexual abuse, and then Cardinal Pell - and the
list still goes on. we've got an inquiry into aged care,
a dead-fish problem, there's also our problem with water,
energy, the Murray-Darling, our rural areas and flooding,
drought, and bushfires - politicians resigning in droves,
and more ...

But hey, the voters they tell us - get it right in the
end? I guess we'll have to wait and see for that one.
In the meantime - at least we now know what - One
Nation really stands for - and it ain't honesty and
integrity - Surprise, surprise?
Or is it?

Liberal and Labor always come up with dirt on One Nation prior to elections: two left-wing parties against the right. I just hope that there are enough voters left who will ignore the Morrison/Shorten rabbiting on about preferences and put preferences where they, THE VOTERS, want to put them.

How stupid is Morrison! Wanting voters to put One Nation below Labor. Or, perhaps he us just further to the loony left than he appears to be: one of the small 'l' liberals calling themselves 'moderates', hoping to hide the fact that they really belong in the Labor party, but were rejected as Turnbull was.

My strategy is still writing 'none if these' on the lower house paper, and voting in the senate for candidates who will restrain whichever crappy major party gains government.

"In the meantime - at least we now know what - One
Nation really stands for - and it ain't honesty and
integrity - Surprise, surprise?
Or is it?"

What we don't seem to care about is what Al Jazeera stands for.

Perhaps it stands for its owners and all that they stand for; it is owned by the government of Qatar.

i found the two men from the one nation party very frighting and extreme, particularly the older man. the old man seems a bit crazy about guns and upset that the government took his guns off him. what would he do if he did control the government as he said he wanted to do.

We should care more about what One Nation stands for.
It's the one trying to run for office in our
parliament.

Foxy,

Don't you have any concerns that Al Jazeera seems to have planned this at least three years ago and sprung it just before the Federal Election?
Al Jazeera's operative tried to snare the SF&F party and also The Sporting Shooters' Assn but to no avail.

Perhaps Al Jazeera can be excused, after all, Qatar is a "bastion of civil rights" and they haven't executed any homosexuals even though they have the death penalty for that offence, they have flogged a few though. Sharia law prevails.

To some degree, governments and powerful lobbies
can influence any channel and most likely do.
Sky News comes to mind. I've watched many news
channels extensively and can't really say that
one is less credible than any of the others.

In a world that has the Fox network, trying to paint AJ as not believable is very very funny

even if the tv makers were undercover, the people speaking were not forced to say anything they did not want to say. is anyone concerned about the old man, i dont know his name, he talked a very crazy kind of talk. they said he is trying for parliament is that true. will people vote for him after he said those things about wanting lots of guns for himself.

Wahine,

The old man, James Ashby, is a nut but not a nutter and it doesn't really matter how many guns he owns, he's not likely to run amuck.

If you are concerned about guns then worry about all the criminals who have illegal firearms, one of them might be sitting next to you on a bus or train.

The 'old man' is not James Ashby who is a young man. The old man, who only looks old to a child, goes by the name of Dickson, or something like that.

The younger one is James Ashby. Ashby should have been turfed long ago.
He is accident prone. They both said things that they knew could never
be made to happen. They were just blowing bull dust up the Americans.
They were stupid because the Americans would be straight onto their
mates in Australia who would put them in the picture.

What is intriguing is the use of an "ex ABC" journalist by AlJ in a
three to four year project. I would love to be an auditor at the ABC.
It has a smell about it Le Carre would be proud of.
Would One Nation's policy on Islam be enough for Al Jazera to devote
so much money to four years grooming plus all the expense of this trip
to America, accommodation etc etc. Just to embarrass One Nation ?
I bet you could spend all day on the street in Qwait asking people
about One Nation and no one would know what you were talking about.
You would find they have no interest in Austria !

After all this dies down don't be surprised if the snoop is back at the ABC.
I also wonder if Getup is behind it. The Labour Party has that sort
of money.
Hmmmm Oh another conspiracy theory ?

wahine welcome, good to see both truth and balance in this thread, quite right, the words used are the evidence no one tampered with the tape
We should be pleased, such journalist have and will continue to uncover such as this
Get used to it, much more needs to be dragged in to the spotlight

Belly,

"Get used to it, much more needs to be dragged in to the spotlight"

For once Belly you hit the nail on the head.

Sorry about getting the dills mixed up!!

thank you belly for the welcome, i will try to be fair with any comments i make. the older man's name was steve dickson, i looked it up. he is very extreme with his gun talk, he was angry that the government took his guns off him, and he wanted them back. why did they want $20m from the americans? i think pauline hanson will get a lot of votes from people who think like steve dickson, but those who are concerned about guns, but were going to vote one nation will change their vote, because of what they seen on tv.
is mise we have to be concerned about the criminals having guns, but i dont want to see anyone killed by people with automatic guns like has happened in christchurch and before in tasmania. the mass killings happen in america all the time, why is that, they have so many guns but the mass killings continue, their laws must be wrong.

Wahine,

The Americans have many more problems than we do, and the crime rate is going down in the US, just as it is here.
Both Australia and the US are getting more guns into civilian hands, which proves that the more guns there are the less crime.

People in Australia are a bit nervous though, look at the debacle in Melbourne when half the city rail network was shut down because someone thought that they saw a person with a gun in a bag, turns out it was a didgeridoo.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/city-loop-trains-disrupted-due-to-police-operation-20190328-p518ck.html

Wahine stay strong, while I have held negative views about one nation from day one [the anti Asian years]
This morning heard on the ABC [my ABC] this, if one nation was a duck it would drown
Caught Bolt interviewing Hanson,and the two stars, actually thought [very rare] Bolt did a good and fair job

Is Mise- Why do you think that the US has more issues than we do. I think it relates to the conflict of different cultures mainly between Afro-Americans and Whites. I'd be interested in hearing your perspective being an ex-cop- but I don't expect it to be the same as mine.

Canem Malum,

First off, I'm not an ex-policeman, although I've worked closely with them on occasion and hold them in high esteem generally, (there have been exceptions!).

Some of the US issues are land borders, too much illegal immigration, not enough health and community services, etc.

America is a nation of Immigrants
Remember the send me your poor,ext ext, far from that now
Seems they fear Mexicans, soon to be the biggest group in that country
The similarity between them and us are not as many as some think
We would scream blue murder if we had their system of healthcare

hi is mise, you said more people in australia have guns. i dont know people with guns. are you saying people on the street have guns hidden on them? i hope this is not true, because people would shoot others when they have an argument or are drunk. people can get very upset over just a little thing and then one word leads to another, and they could shoot someone when angry, like in domestic violence.
do you think that man steve dickson will get voted in? i dont like him, he speaks like crazy talk, he said he was going to hold a gun to the governments head, he could be very dangerous doing that in the parliament, because they do argue a lot.he was very angry they took his guns off him, he wants them back. if he was in parliament could he take guns in there?

Wahine I am probably very much older than you
That alone gives me insight in to how many have guns
Mates are pig shooters,I once owned three guns and considered myself a sporting shooter
Truth is, once any one could buy a gun, too roadside signs suffered more bullet hopes than anything
Even if cattle grazed behind them
Or roads winded their way behind them
Country folk have and need guns,even the 4 ten shotgun for snakes
Sydney, like very city, houses shooters, who have all types of guns in their homes
Law sys under lock and key
Maybe it is the one police do not know about that should concern us

I wonder if our new and seemingly very immature friend, 'wahine’ (a word describing a Polynesian woman) is another victim of Belly's specialist class in illiteracy or, she or he is a very young child, or she/he is someone bored enough to be just taking the piss.

Whatever wahine is up to is clearly a waist of everyone's time.

Also a 'waste' of time. I must have been thinking of all those undulating wahines in grass skirts.

Dear Is Mise,

You can attempt to shoot the messenger all you like but One Nation got caught with their pants down and are rightly getting spanked for both heir outrageous views and their idiocy. You feeble attempt at deflection is pretty pathetic.

I suppose you won't agree with the head of the SFF party when he says;

“Shooters, Fishers and Farmers leader Robert Borsak says his party has never had dealings with the National Rifle Association, as he slammed One Nation as "almost traitorous" for seeking millions of dollars in donations from the US gun lobby.”

When other right wing parties are cutting them loose you know they have really gone feral.

Hi there TTBN & Welcome to our new Contributor; WAHINE...

I too was about to ask the same question of our new mate, WAHINE as well, TTBN? His syntax, punctuation & spelling appear to be calculated into luring us into believing he/she's a very naive, albeit innocent individual. One who merely doesn't understand the essential issues surrounding F/A's in toto, in this Country.

You inferred WAHINE inter alia, IS MISE had stated, 'people were wandering about the streets with concealed F/A's in their possession'? I don't believe so? IS MISE is well versed with the Firearms legislation, as it applies in NSW. Moreover WAHINE, your entire first paragraph sounds very much like you're attempting to deceive us all, with you guileless even ingenuous assertions?

o sung wu,

Lots of possibilities, none of them worth our time or energy. Glad to see that you are are still around.

Wahine my welcome was honest, my warning to stay strong, well founded
See some will not agree with what you say
Even me, to wade past that is worthwhile, we,and this place, need to welcome others, and others views
I have not seen a single word from you that needs looking at
Question needs to be are we an open forum ,open to all views, or just God's waiting room online
For fixed positions only

Hasbeen: Don't worry Pauline, the more they rant against you, the more we all know they are scared of you & the truth you express, & the more support it brings you.

With the sudden gush of bad publicity against One Nation I could not help but think that Pauline has the two major Party's so scared that they would collude to keep the Power just between themselves. Now we know for sure that they are.

If you see this on Facebook, it's from me.

NOW HEAR THIS.

The How to Vote Card is only the party’s idea of how they want you to vote. There is no compulsion to follow their suggestion.

How you vote, & in what order you place your Preferences, is in your hands & your hands only. No Party can tell you where to place your Preferences. That is for you & you only to decide.

Tell the big Party’s where to shove their Voting Preference Cards. Follow you own head & Heart.

VOTE & PREFERENCE WHO YOU WANT. NOT WHAT THEY WANT.

After this federal election, when we have proof of what voters think
We will see outside Queensland Hanson is no longer seen as the savior of the very right
We will see others take that mantel, even if they go national, the farmers fishers and shooters party
What do voters for Hanson think she can give/deliver?
In truth if her party was a duck, it would drown
If Palmers was a Camel it would die of thirst standing knee deep in freshwater

Jayb,

You suggest that " .... Don't worry Pauline, the more they rant against you, the more we all know they are scared of you ...."

You reckon ? Scared of those clowns ? Scared of that ditz who can't ever get her story straight ?

But I still get a laugh out of her "I didn't flip. First I voted one way, then the other, then the first way again." Not flipping, not flipping.

Of course, on the other hand in the Ukraine, it looks like they might elect a comedian as President .....

Joe

Ms NRMA she called the NRA that, showed her true lack of ability when caught out trying to say that Tasmanian murder was a government act'
That questions her and those who support her

Hi there BELLY Ol' Chap...

I note you gave WAHINE a brief account, concerning the amount of Guns we have in the community. Then you were kind enough to explain to him, the type of targets, shooters prefer. All manner of road signage apparently, even the cattle that grazed behind them (the road signs).

You were also adamant that graziers had a legitimate need of F/A's, including a .410 Shotgun; ostensibly a necessary calibre for the eradication of reptiles? Further appraising us all, that City folk have all manner of F/A's, all of which are required by law, to be secured under lock & key. And in your closing sentence, you say '...maybe it's the one the police don't know about that should concern us...'?

By and large BELLY you're right. However, I can advise you authoritatively; there are only a handful of 'boofheads' who vandalise road signage or recklessly shoot livestock as a consequence of vandalizing those signs. The penalties were/are severe for the wanton destruction of such road and traffic warnings for very obvious reasons, road safety. I've seen an accused persons receive up to 18 months gaol (on top), PLUS a prohibition; of possessing, carrying, or using, a F/A for a period of 15 years.

Moreover, inquiries reveal many country Municipalities, resent repairing these bullet-ridden signs, as long as they are still readable, and not a severe traffic hazard. They usually defer fixing or replacing them, until their next financial year, purely on economic grounds.

In conclusion, BELLY, most vandals apprehended for 'shooting-up' this signage, have local (country) addresses!

O sung wo found nothing I did not agree with there
I think [maybe wrong]Wahine is a young fella, hence my road trip
My days in Sydney saw every winter Friday night a trip with mates, to just outside Oberon blackspings ? think it was
Rabbits, loved eating them and we all took plenty home in the old esxy
Ran in to a fool witha gun on every trip, sadly
Gave them up on the day a relative I had totally trusted with guns, shot his wife
Accident but if he could do that [she survived ok] my guns had to go, kids in the house
We have enough gun laws now, as you well know criminals will always have them no matter what the law is

Loudmouth: Scared of that ditz who can't ever get her story straight ?

Admittedly Pauline isn't as polished at speaking as most Politicians. She does tend to tell it like it is though. Most politicians of the two major party's just plain straight lie & the Media go along with it.

I see in yesterdays & to days papers pages & pages of concerted attack on Pauline & One Nation. Why is that if they (LNP & ALP) didn't think she was some sort of threat to their Capitalization of the Government. Strange that. Besides the LNP & SLP are going to Preference each other in the coming Election. If that doesn't tell you that they want to keep the Government Club just between themselves with just a few annoying outsiders to look like they are being Democratic, what would?

I agree that some of the people that have hung their hats on One Nation aren't very savory. But, then again, some of the people that have hung their hats with the LNP & Labor aren't very savory either. Banks, Chinese, CEMFU to name a few.

Belly: I had totally trusted with guns, shot his wife Accident but if he could do that.

Yes, I had a mate like that too, when we went shooting we would exclude him because he was bloody dangerous.

Regarding the Port Arthur Massacre. When it happened I was sceptical that one person could have done so much damage in that amount of time. I had not long returned from Vietnam, so I was familiar with what could be done with a weapon of that type.

Having been in numerous Contacts with the VC & NVA I had doubts. If we had had a Platoon of good as that, the rest of the Battalion could have gone home & we would have won the entire War in a month with just that Platoon.

This is not to take away from the grief of the people involved in the Massacre. This is purely a Tactical Observation from an experienced Ex-Soldier.

I would like to see a rerun of the PAM scenario using: a Queens Shoot Holder, A random Section of Infantry Soldiers from any Battalion & some random guy of the street that has used a rifle at some time. Set up the Buildings & Dummy's of all the people in the area at the time of the shooting & see if any of these people can replicate the same hits in the same amount of time as happened at the PAM.

It could be easily set up at the Urban Warfare School at High Range near Townsville.

Personally, I don't think it could be done. Remembering that he was not all that familiar with the weapons that were used or a particularly good shot, according to the Reports.

Cont

Cont
Now, I support the removal of weapons from the General public for the same reason Belly gave. There are people out there who are demanding Guns that I wouldn't allow to handle a plastic knife, fork & spoon. Apart from that, still having weapons generally available to all & sundry would be fraught with danger considering the introduction of Middle Eastern People into Australia recently.

We are all worried about Terrorists now, think about them able to be legally armed to the teeth. Then Radical Right Wing Idiots retaliating. Then the Radical Left Wing Idiots supporting the Islamic Terrorists. Then the Rest of the Population taking sides. A Civil War in the making, right there.

Jayb, an interesting perspective for someone who has never fired a gun.
However those that did not die would have identified him ?

Re moslems, here is an interesting opinion of the left supporters of
the Islamic people. It makes interesting listening.

http://tinyurl.com/y384g6nl

There does appear to be a number of revisionist Islamic organisations.
Most in the Middle East have been "eliminated".
Unless they can get substantial support there in other than single
tribal groups they are just target practise.

Steele,

I support Borsak to the hilt, and what he says is spot on, except that what One Nation did was not an offence at law, at the time.

Al Jazeera's setting up of One Nation should ring warning bells, who is next?

When all the dust settles we may well find out that the ABC had a hand in the conspiracy from the start.

Hi there JAYB...

One does wonder what an experienced rifleman with an AR-15 on full rock 'n roll could do, in a scenario similar to the Port Arthur massacre. However, it's my understanding if one wishes to obtain a F/A license they need to undertake an approved course of instruction. At least it's another hurdle the applicant needs to deal with before he's issued the permit. Is it sufficient, I don't know, though probably not.

From purely a policeman's perspective, I don't think you'll ever be able to interdict these mass killings if the perpetrator has the will and the means. You'll note I say 'killings,' not shootings. You could remove every gun in 'Christendom', and some boof-head will find a way to kill dozens of innocent people, such is the deviousness of the human heart.

Ok, I have just read the full report on the PAM. Just about everybody was shot inside 2 meters, mostly head shots. Anything outside that people were wounded & shot at close range later. So yes, I do believe he could have completed the task without much trouble. He uses an AR-10 & AR 15 Carbine from the hip or under the shoulder. The were Self Loading Rifles not automatics. 34 Killed & 19 Wounded inside an hour. 22 people in the first 10 minutes. Yes, it would be possible even with an IQ of 66.

I believe that any person who want to own a weapon of any description must sit a specific exam, show that they have sufficient training in Safety & weapon handling. & have at least an IQ of 120 or more. All weapons must be kept in a secure Armory under Police Supervision. Not Rent-a-cop. The weapon must be signed in & out stating for what & where the weapon is being used. If it for hunting it must be accompanied by a letter from the owner of the property giving the person permission to hunt on their property.

jayb while I am often on your side a truth needs air here
Hundreds of thousands, of gun owners will never even think of shooting a human being
Midnight trips to a paddock to shoot a downed and dying cow
Killing wild dogs or Dingos mauling sheep, Foxes an introduced beast that is more harm that it was worth as Fox Hunters bought it here for
Feral cats, the killers of millions of native birds every single year
Yes lunatics murder with guns, knives too, increasingly so
Do we outlaw knives, limit them
What are we to do about home invasions? you can bet the offenders will be armed, is it wrong to kill in defense of your family?
Guns should be controlled but must exist because we do, some of us, need them

Belly: Guns should be controlled but must exist because we do, some of us, need them.

I have no problem with that. Farmers & Stations, Away from Cities & Towns. Yep Fair enough. Guns locked in Gun Safes. No problem.

In Cities & Towns, lock them in a Central Armory in a Police Facility. There is no need to have guns inside a City or Town limit. Security & Police excepted.

My other problem with open gun ownership is the ease & availability to moslim terrorists. We already know about the moslim Terrorist Training Camps that have been discovered in Northern NSW & in North West Victoria.

They have already said they want an Army to enforce their Great Southern Caliphate. There's plenty of Video & Media evidence for that.

Yes I understand that it's only a Radical few, for now. When push comes to shove, ordinary (moderate) moslims will be obligated to join them, or face the consequences. Such is their Religious obligation.

Restricting firearms will, hopefully, slow down the Terrorist agenda.

Al Jazeera is part of, "making of the Islamic World ." So yes it was a set-up with the help of the ABC, GetUp, & the Left to get anyone who stands in the way of achieving their Aim of an Islamic World.

By the way that Video, http://tinyurl.com/y384g6nl, explains it all perfectly.

Jayb,

"Restricting firearms will, hopefully, slow down the Terrorist agenda"

Then they'll make their own or import them.

What're you going to do?

Ban all lathes, drills and milling machines?

Hacksaws and files?

Muslims are the world leaders in making firearms at home.

"A Khyber Pass copy is a firearm manufactured by cottage gunsmiths in the Khyber Pass region between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The area has long had a reputation for producing unlicensed copies of firearms using whatever materials are available; more often than not, railway rails, scrap motor vehicles, and other scrap metal with basic hand tools [1]. The quality of such firearms varies widely, ranging from as good as a factory-produced example to dangerously poor."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_copy

In my collection is a Mau-mau gun, made from a piece of seamless steel tube, it has no moving parts, as the firing mechanism was wood and Customs took it off as there were some worm holes in it, the spring was a rubber band and the means of ignition were children's cap gun caps.
It is still fireable using a cigarette .
The rere of the barrel was sealed by the simple expedient of heating the tube and bashing it closed where it was bent to form the stock.

Terrorists don't need guns anyway, explosives are very effective, would you ban fertilizer coal and diesel?
Petrol?

Dear Is Mise,

Mate you clowns just can't give the fearmongering a break can you. 50 people lay dead from a right-wing extremist inspired by the kind of language you two are rabbiting on with and here you are ratcheting it up again saying things like “Muslims are the world leaders in making firearms at home.”

Bloody hell.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Are you suggesting even for a minute, I'm a 'right wing' extremist, essentially because I support shooters rights?

You call IS MISE, (a Korean War veteran, and an individual who's worked with guns for the Defence Dept) a 'clown'? Saying he's wrong when he asserts in part; '...Muslims are world leaders when it comes to fashioning weapons at home...'. I'm here to tell you Steele old friend, the Muslim's locked up in Sydney's Long Bay Gaol, turn out more illicit weaponry enough to start a veritable war, and put out of business, the SAF in Lithgow.!

Al JAZEERA often pedal propaganda for the Muslim extremists. Always first, with announcing terrorist atrocities. Seemingly, they really have an ear inside the camp? If they're anything like our ABC, I believe nothing they might say?

Jayb gun locker are a must even in the city, criminals and terrorist do not usually, use legally held guns
Trying to stop them getting those guns is far different that making more illegal

Dear o sung wu,

You ask;

“Are you suggesting even for a minute, I'm a 'right wing' extremist, essentially because I support shooters rights?”

I'm not sure how you have arrived to the point where you felt this was reasonable suggestion. I was clearly talking about the clowns geeing each other up about a perceived Muslim threat when the topic was about One Nation looking to solicit bribes from a foreign organisation to weaken laws protecting Australians from the type of tragedy which occurred in NZ.

They should be expected to get called out on it and I did just that. If you felt the need to engage in fear-mongering about Muslims then yes I would have included you. But you hadn't.

However if you feel you can illustrate why you thought this was about purely shooters rights you have the floor.

Steele,

“Muslims are the world leaders in making firearms at home.”

Well, they are, so what's wrong with giving credit where it's due?

Jayb,

"In Cities & Towns, lock them in a Central Armory in a Police Facility. There is no need to have guns inside a City or Town limit. Security & Police excepted"

Why except Security and Police, why do they need a gun?

Dear Is Mise,

Nothing at all on the face of it except you were as I said "geeing each other up about a perceived Muslim threat when the topic was about One Nation looking to solicit bribes from a foreign organisation to weaken laws protecting Australians from the type of tragedy which occurred in NZ."

I called you out on it and your response is to claim 'there is nothing to see here'.

My opinion is that is rubbish.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

C'mon stop with all the semantics, I believe you meant anyone who supported the general availability of firearms, as a clown.

Whenever the very mention of a gun is used, you immediately start berating others concerning shooters rights. As I said, I don't have a gun, but I do support the general shooting fraternity if that is a sport they wish to follow.

Interestingly, most countries field a team in the Olympic games, in many of the shooting competitions, so it's not as if the sport is in any way diminishing.

I do agree, we're completely off Topic here, so can we leave the gun debate where it is for a moment, and return to the Al Jazeera Conspiracy?

Dear o sung wu,

Here is what I actually said;
“Mate you clowns just can't give the fearmongering a break can you. 50 people lay dead from a right-wing extremist inspired by the kind of language you two are rabbiting on with and here you are ratcheting it up again saying things like “Muslims are the world leaders in making firearms at home.””

And I gave you the chance to argue your case.

You decided to come back with;
“C'mon stop with all the semantics, I believe you meant anyone who supported the general availability of firearms, as a clown.”

Now I get that as you have often stated you feel obliged to defend Is Mise. But I feel you could have extended yourself just a little bit rather than a rather insipid “I believe you meant” without offering any justification for holding the aforementioned view.

If you feel the need to exchange a couple of jabs I'm up for it. But perhaps look for some solid footing first.

I'm sure Is Mise won't mind, after all it is his topic.

Let me tell you about one extreme right wing person
He is a Christian, he supports Trump
Has appeared in print calling for less gun control
Even re posted American NRA propaganda in support of it
anyone who thinks everyone should be able to have guns is just as wrong as those saying no one should

Steelie: 50 people lay dead from a right-wing extremist.

& 230 people lay dead from moslim extremists in the same week & not a word anywhere. Strange that. Still supporting them I see.

Belly: Trying to stop them getting those guns is far different that making more illegal.

Agreed. When "The Ship hits the Sand" I want an L1A2 with a Telescopic Sight.

Steelie: I'm not sure how you have arrived to the point where you felt this was reasonable suggestion.

I would suggest, that anyone you consider not to be Left Wing Socialist/Marxist, is a Right Wing Extremist. Isn't that right.

Is Mise: Why except Security and Police, why do they need a gun?

To shoot moslim Terrorists & armed Drugies.

Steelie: "geeing each other up about a perceived Muslim threat.

Are you saying that there is no moslim threat? There was no danger from moslims 25 years ago. There is now. Strange that.

OSW: I do support the general shooting fraternity if that is a sport they wish to follow.

As I.

As Al Jazerra is a moslim owned & controlled Media that supports the conversion of the World to Islam, anyone who even looks like slowing up their agenda is attacked with the help of Left Wing Extremists friends, as shown by the http://tinyurl.com/y384g6nl Video. &, of course, the support of people like Steelie.

Hi there BELLY...

It doesn't necessarily follow if someone's a TRUMP supporter, he's a devotee of guns and gun ownership? Neither one cancels out the other. It's possible for an individual to like TRUMP, but utterly abhor everything to do with Guns. Some women in our small group will attest to that, they like Donald TRUMP, several of them describing him as a breath of fresh air in the Whitehouse.

Back to the Topic, however - there' is no doubt in my mind, we should not trust anything that comes from Al Jazeera, as they are considered nothing more than a media organ, for many Muslim fundamentalists. I certainly can't claim any specific knowledge of them, other than what I've heard from other leading electronic journalists, based here in Australia. If I'm wrong, then let it be proved?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-is-unraveling-before-our-eyes-20190404-p51al7.html
O SUNG WO good morning
We hold different views, we are different people, I see no reason that says, in any way we are not good people'
The link is for you, please do me a favor and read, maybe comment on it
Long gone our youth, and the days of Sun and Mirror on the way home, both stretching the truth to take our shilling
The media has changed
In my view the very best change,while it has always existed, is investigative journalism
Such as AL Jazeera,s story
What they uncovered not how it was done matters
Now for Trump, believe me please, *not every critic of the man is a progressive lefty looney**
He presents a clear danger politics has degenerated to the extent truth no longer matters
GUNS? thought my every post here defends the right /need to own guns while highlighting how dangerous they are in criminal hands

Belly,

"Such as AL Jazeera,s story
What they uncovered not how it was done matters"

There we differ, what they "uncovered" was what they manufactured and it amounts to very little and was legal.
Anyone listening to the tapes can spot the resultant media lies as they went into a frenzy over a couple of self delusional twits.

What Al Jazeera did and is, no doubt, doing is what matters.

Belly: What they uncovered not how it was done matters.

In a Court of Law, any Magistrate would consider Al Jazeera's evidence inadmissible because of the way it was collected. Of course Cut & Paste & Photoshop had a lot to do with the was the story was presented. We all know that, but if you Hate ON then anyone who says anything about ON agrees with what was presented. Don't they?

We can all argue about the way this was done
until the cows come home.

However the facts
are - this was not a "stich up"for One Nation.
This particular investigation by Al Jazeera -
was set up more
than 3 years ago and it was aimed at the NRA
not One Nation. One Nation was not the target.

They got caught up at the tail-end of this.
Also nobody forced them to fly to the US - to
pay for their own tickets, et cetera. They were
there after the money - and were prepared to
promise anything to get it.

It showed people
what they were really prepared to do - to get what
they wanted. They were caught out with their pants
down - and are now trying to deny it all and blame
others for their own actions. Unbelievable.
They were caught on tape for
all to see. Blaming anyone else for their own major
stuff-up simply does not wash. You'd have to have a soft brain -
to buy what they're selling. And anyone who buys what
someone like Ashby says - Gaaaawd!

It would seem the majority of people on this thread crying foul over ON getting caught with their pants down would want Sam Dastyari reinstated to the front bench immediately.

He got 'done over' by a secret recording of a briefing he gave to some Chinese media and another secret recording which we have never heard saying he warned a Chinese businessman about probable phone tapping.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-29/sam-dastyari-secret-south-china-sea-recordings/9198044

Me, I'm glad he is out of parliament but you lot should be championing the 'injustice of it all' if you going to be in any way consistent.

Some seem to get the sequence of events mixed.
It was the Koch Bros representatives with whom they talked money.
They even said that there were legal problems so why the hell were
they even talking to them.
I think from my memory of what was said that the AlJaz character
offered to take them to the US to meet money & gun people.
Anyone switched on in politics should have been enough awake to ask
themselves; "Why do they want to do this ?".

Anyone that dumb should not be in politics. Beware crocodiles.

Foxy: what they were really prepared to do - to get what
they wanted.

Which particular Politician or Party were you talking about. They are all guilty of the very same thing, except they published ON because they are frightened of the influence ON might have on the coming Election.

Stealie: It would seem the majority of people on this thread crying foul over ON getting caught with their pants down would want Sam Dastyari reinstated to the front bench immediately.

See Foxy, I told you so & that's only one that got caught. They are all as guilty as one another. Nothing to see here, moving on. ;-)

Jayb.,

Arguing that "they all do it,"just isn't good
enough mate.

One Nation is the only party who supposedly
stood for honesty, integrity et al - and yet
went about selling our country's gun laws
down the gurgler for money. The only party that
promised a foreigh entity control of our
country's legislation. For that alone they
should not only be kicked out - they should
be hurled out with great force.

Hi there BELLY & a good afternoon to you too...

Donald TRUMP has never been a public speaker of note, ever since we saw his ascendency to power. He stumbles and hesitates over just about all of his speeches, even his formal Whitehouse addresses. It doesn't prove that his brain & his thinking isn't still sharp. Some people are gifted at public speaking, eg, Sir Robert MENZIES.

While others have altogether different styles of public speaking; but nonetheless, both equally effective at getting their message across. Like Messrs Robert HAWKE & Paul KEATING. A good speaker doesn't necessarily make for a great leader. One, the population in toto, feels confident in their brand of leadership. You know, '...all talk and no action...'?

I realise you have a somewhat jaundiced view of the media, and that's most understandable, as do I. But when it comes to this Muslim controlled outfit, Al Jazeera, I urge caution? Anything they might release purporting as being accurate newsworthy material, I'd 'triple' check, from other more credible sources, before relying on its integrity.
Thanks, BELLY ol' mate.

G'day there JAYB...

You're quite correct when you assert no member of the judiciary would have any truck whatsoever, with the material Al Jazeera allegedly claimed they gathered as evidence of conspiracy, impropriety, or plain old inebriated trash talk.

Speaking of illegality that may've transpired in this matter - I'm of the view, Al Jazeera should have a strong glass placed over their own activities, ever since we've had these incidences, of Islamic fundamentalism taking place. What's it been now, forty-odd years since it became apparent? One might be surprised at how much 'stirring' by 'AJ' has occurred, in the intervening period?

Evidence that's capable of being admitted in a Court of Law must follow a precise procedure, & gathered in a conventional structure and strategy, that the Court recognizes. There have been more bulky tomes written on the topic of 'Evidence,' ('Cross & others, to be more precise), than perhaps anything else, in our standard of jurisprudence.

Dear o sung wu,

Interesting opinion and one I thought would be good to investigate.

It appears outside of its occasional inflammatory editorials Al Jazeera is regarded as a pretty straight shooter.

In one of the few times when the charge of bias was directed at them they were completely cleared.

“In 2017, Al Jazeera aired an investigative report of Britain’s Israel lobby and following the airing, Ofcom (UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority) received complaints from a number of pro-Israeli British activists, that included one former Israeli embassy employee. They were accused of anti-Semitism, bias, unfair editing and infringement of privacy, which was later cleared by Ofcom, who said the piece was not anti-semitic and was in fact investigative journalism. Later, a US version of the documentary called “Lobby” was not aired, due to pressure from US Legislators pushing for Al Jazeera to register as a foreign entity, and therefore labeling its journalists as ‘spies’. Further, Saudi Arabia and three other Arab nations demanded Qatar to shut down Al-Jazeera.”
http://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

You will note that at the time three other Arab nations were calling for Al Jazeera to be shut down.

I think the old adage that when you are pissing off both sides you must be doing something right applies. I would certainly put them above Fox News in the trustworthy stakes.

Of course if you have evidence to the contrary I would be happy to see it.

I've stated earlier - how credible is any news
channel? To some degree, governments and powerful
lobbies can influence any news source and most
likely do. I've watched AJ, BBC, CNN, FOX News,
et al, extensively and can't really say that AJ
is less credible than any of the others.

AL JAzeera in my view is far more reliable than any of the Murdocks papers
Efforts to take the spotlight away from one nations blunder is just that, an effort in hiding the truth

Belly: Efforts to take the spotlight away from one nations blunder is just that, an effort in hiding the truth.

Let's face it Belly. their discussion was just that, a discussion on where they might raise funds. The Al Jezerra Journalist led them into an ambush with suggestive talk of the NRA just might be supportive & they walked into it.

It took three years of grooming. Setting up an ambush is slow & painstaking work, with lots of practice on how it would go down. Yes they walked into the Ambush. That was the whole idea of the setup.

One Nations discussion of what "Might be" was not illegal. I should imagine your favourite Party has those discussions with the CEMFU all the time. Trying to find ways of disguising where their Funds were obtained. I have no doubt the LNP do exactly the same with Big Business. According to you, & a few others here, no-one else is allowed to do the same lest it lessens your favorite Party's chances in a coming Election.

Any New Laws pertaining to Funds disclosure would be made riddled with Loop Holes & agreed to by the ALP & LNP to protect their own interests. Why is it OK for them but not for any other Party?

Your Party Preference & Hate of any other Party, especially Minor Party's sticks out like a sore thumb.

Socialists are like that. We have some great examples of how Socialists treat people once in Power, don't we. Cuba, Argentina, Venezuela just to name a few. Once in Power should the ALP with say a good Majority take all their dissenters for a plane ride out over the Ditch?

Despite Pauline Hanson's "foreign owned" slur and
"being stitched up" claims, it would be interesting
to know what would be her reaction had one of
Rupert Murdoch's publications done the same exercise
as AJ.

Hi (again) JAYB...

It would appear to me; Al Jazeera doesn't so much report the news; instead, they like to make or manufactory the news!

G'day STEELEREDUX...

There's an often used expression that these news 'hacks' very much like to employ? 'Investigative Journalism.' It's almost a badge of honour, a step closer to a 'Walkley Award' if you like. To wear the exalted mantel of an 'Investigative Journalist,' whatever that may be?

I was a copper for over 32 years as well as a trained Detective. They (the Commissioner & his cohorts) do not confer upon you, the appellation of 'Detective or Investigator' Unless you've successfully passed all the necessary examinations associated with that designation.

Much of the course (from memory) is establishing evidentiary matters & processes, in order, the evidence is acceptable to a Court. So careful must the police be after the Case Officer has assembled the final Brief of Evidence, it goes to the Criminal Brief Adjudication Branch to be carefully examined by an experienced police officer of at least sergeant rank. He ensures all the criminal 'Proof's' have been covered, and all Statements are in order. Thereafter, it goes to the DPP.

We have these so-called, Investigative Journalists, asking us to take their account(s) seriously when often a Court wouldn't allow them even through the front door. Utterly amazing!

Dear o sung wu,

I can only concur.

However you seem to be missing a salient point, journos are not coppers, and their court is the one of public opinion.

A Christian minister who is vehemently anti-gay at the pulpit can go off and secretly solicit young men in a night club and remain perfectly within the law. It would not be the job of the police to expose the hypocrisy but one might argue it is the role of the fourth estate.

There are protections in place and they are called defamation laws. If One Nation or any of the individuals involved feel they have been egregiously misrepresented then they can start proceedings. No sign of that as yet so I suspect Al Jeezera were pretty well on the money.

jayb your constant reference to this socialist left progressive in my view does little for to support your opinions
It for me, markes a person taking the Trump Autright bait hook ,line and sinker
Hanson cannot even keep her elected members in her shed, just as the PUP now trying again, could not
Watch the election results

Al Jazeera doesn't so much report the news; instead, they like to make or manufactory the news!
Steele Redux,
The very few times I watch ABC interviews I find they they're not reporting at all, they're simply pushing & arguing their opinion !
Leigh Sales, Tony Jones & Ellen Fanning almost ran out of breath trying to nail anyone that is not Labor. They appear to be close to panic when they fail. Not good journalism at all !

Of course - how could Leigh Sales, Barrie Cassidy,
Andrew Probyn, Chris Uhlmann, Patricia Karvelas,
Laura Tingle, Paul Barry, Tony Jones, Virginia Trioli,
Sarah Ferguson, or Annabel Crabb possibly compete
with the likes of Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, Miranda
Devine or even Teena McQueen.

No contest.

Lol.

Al Jazeera is owned an autocratic government with links to groups like Hamas. A country where women who get pregnant with an illegitimate child are jailed. A country where apostasy is considered a capital offense and stoning is a form of capital punishment. A country where immigrant workers are subjected to forced labour.

Enough said.

Bozec,

So ...... what the two ON clowns were recorded as saying, doesn't count ? They didn't tout for twenty million ? It didn't happen ?

Joe

Funny things happen here
Some posts get lost, truth however stands, Fox not Al Jazeera is king of fake news
And in truth, once they vote as they are told, blind supporters of the very wrong very right, become its victims
No one forced those words in to the mouths of one nations three stooges
No one cut and shut the tape
Yes the country behind AJ is a insanely bigoted land, not worth dealing with, but the story is true one nation is a place for lost children of the right of reality

Joe,

It does count but not for much, and it was not illegal.

Al Jazeera set them up; that is the point, AJ decided to interfere in the internal political affairs of Australia.
Other organisations in Aust were much more alert and didn't fall for the three card trick.

ise mise have you ever, on either side, saw a junalistic set up as you call it that you approve of
Say the taping of a once Labor leader making a racist statement[NSW election this month]
His words, like one nations,are real

For me it is clearly in the public interest when
a publicly-funded Australian political party that
knows what it is doing is dodgy is making connections
to "change Australia" by gaining the balance of power
in the parliament and "working hand in glove" with
a despicable organisation in the US - the NRA.

One Nation's behaviour could only be exposed through
this kind of reportage. The public needs to know
what One Nation was doing. No ifs or buts.

James Ashby is captured repeatedly reminding others they
need to be secretive in their dealing with the NRA.

The Australian public has a clear right to know what
One Nation is up to.

Derryn Hinch has stated:

"Pauline Hansons'One Nation's attempt to get $10 - 20 million
from the despicable US NRA to help them water down our
gun laws is obscene. Also the boast of the $'s could
change the voting system and have the whole government by the balls. Please explain."

Saying it was all a "stitch up" is simply just not good
enough.

Foxy: and "working hand in glove" with a despicable organisation in the US - the NRA.

That's exactly not right, & you know it. A bridge too far. Would you like for me to infer that you are a fully fledged Islamic Terrorist just because you show support for them at times.

Foxy: Also the boast of the $'s could change the voting system and have the whole government by the balls. Please explain."

To me that sounds like a great idea. Maybe, just maybe somethings might actually happen instead of just having rhetoric & promises.

Now I think that would be great.

I just love it when a Treasurer, any Treasurer, says, "& 20 Billion to xxxxx over the next 10 years." 2 Billion a year. That's 6 Budgets three & a bit Elections. What sound good are the words $20 Billion.

It's all BS, Smoke & Mirrors by both the LNP & the ALP & they know it. The General Public are gullible enough to swallow that crap & the Political Party's know it.

Foxy said; Of course - how could Leigh Sales, Barrie Cassidy,
No of course they couldn't !

Jayb.,

Just quoting what was on the video out of their
own mouths on camera.

Bazz,

It was tongue-in-cheek about Leigh Sales, Barrie
Cassidy, et al. How on earth can anyone seriously
compare any of those reputable journalists with the
likes of Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, and the rest of
those "pretenders."

Foxy: It was tongue-in-cheek about Leigh Sales, Barrie Cassidy, et al. How on earth can anyone seriously compare any of those reputable journalists with the likes of Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, and the rest of
those "pretenders."

It was tongue-in-cheek about Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, and the rest of those "pretenders How on earth can anyone seriously compare any of those reputable journalists with the likes of "Leigh Sales, Barrie Cassidy, et al.

So you would prefer to believe Lying Leftists over lying Rightist. Ay. Some people are just so.... gullible. Ay.

Oh dear oh dear Foxy.

jayb any chance you understand the ABC OUT RATES fOX NEWS?
And are you aware even out back national voting farmers want it to remain much as it is
Al Jazeera did nothing most news sources has do done
It did not put the words in the three stooges mouths

Jayb.,

No. I prefer to believe reputable journalists who
deal with facts, accuracy, and genuine information
over those who deal with innuendo, falsities,
misinformation and right-wing propaganda.

Bazz,

Oh, But My Dear, this is not Wonderland and I
am not Alice. This is reality and I am but
a girl. (smile).

Foxy: I prefer to believe reputable journalists who deal with facts, accuracy, and genuine information over those who deal with innuendo, falsities, misinformation.

What you are saying then, I take it, is that you don't believe a word any journalist from a Rabid Left leaning ABC says? Is that right.

You would prefer to believe Lying Leftists over lying Rightists. Ay. Some people are just so.... gullible. Ay.

Jayb.,

Ay...

Some people stick by their misconceptions/inability to understand
Truth and balance has no part in their deliberations
The ABC like the BBC has truth on its side
AT After Trump, it may take some time before his catch cry,s/lies are removed from some vocabularies

Belly: The ABC like the BBC has truth on its side.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...

Foxy: Ay...

Queenslandarrrrrrrrr… . ;-)

Jayb.,

Nah.

My brain's not mush.

foxy: My brain's not mush.

Hmmm... Let's see;

Victorian.
Support moslims.
Support for Socialist/Marxists.
Support for Gay Schools Curriculum.
Support for labour.
Support for anything Left Wing.
etc, etc,.

Yes it is. Ay.

We haven't from poriot for a long time. Maybe he's been shot up in Syria or the Government won't let him back into Australia. Ay.

Hi there FOXY...

I was a bit surprised to hear your take on the journalistic abilities of Messrs Alan JONES, Andrew BOLT & ors. With respect, I would claim there's nothing pretentious about any of these right-wing commentators, other they're 'right wing,' as are Ms. SALES & Mr. CASSIDY, both of whom are in the employ of a very biased, left-wing ABC. An instance where the employee, must dance to the fiddler's tune.

That aside, there's little doubt in my mind that Al Jazeera is the official organ for Islamic Fundamentalism, and anything they say or claim should be scrutinized, to establish it's integrity, before accepting it as being correct?

The small group of folk that my Wife and I move in, none of them have ever claimed the ABC, as impartial, quite the contrary? Though most of us enjoy many of their presentations & doco's, their political 'stripes' are so overtly evident; it's almost comical. I realise, FOXY you're a devotee of the ABC, as am I. But not as far as sharing their political opinions.

By the way, FOXY, this very Topic - 'Alleged Bias of the ABC,' or similar, brought me in touch for the 'first time' with our good friend STEELEREDUX. A distinct pleasure I've enjoyed ever since!

Jayb RUOK bloke?
You are aware Labor getsmore first preference votes than any other party
That was it 70 percent voted for marriage equality?

Jayb.,

Nah. wrong again.

I'm a conservative.

I want to conserve what we have.
I don't want to take the country backwards.
I'm not a regressive.

But I don't have the time or the crayons to
explain things to you.

Dear O Sung Wu,

Thank You for your opinion.

Hi there JAYB...

Unless I misunderstood your last sentence JAYB; POIROT is a very well educated lady, who used to grace 'The Forum,' with her intelligent commentary & sharpish wit. Sadly we no longer hear from her now, which is a great pity in my view, and a tremendous loss too OLO.

Whereas, we're lucky to still have you FOXY, who is more than equal to the task, as it were - both intellectually and with your formidably 'cutting wit,' if and when deserved!

Belly: You are aware Labor gets more first preference votes than any other party.

All I can say is Thank God for Preferential Voting, where who ever you vote for, If your first preference is eliminated, then your second choice is counted. Which I think is fair enough.

That's why I put this up on Facebook.

NOW HEAR THIS.

The How to Vote Card is only the party’s idea of how they want you to vote. There is no compulsion to follow their suggestion.

How you vote, & in what order you place your Preferences, is in your hands & your hands only. No Party can tell you where to place your Preferences. That is for you & you only to decide.

Tell the big Party’s where to shove their Voting Preference Cards. Follow you own head & Heart.

VOTE & PREFERENCE WHO YOU WANT. NOT WHAT THEY WANT.

OSW: POIROT is a very well educated lady,

Oh, now I remember. My apologies Poirot for the Gender change. Although, I don't think you'd mind, remembering you stance on such matters.

Still, remembering her Posts & support for Islam. Maybe she is in Syria in one of those containment Camps for ISIS & can't get home. Which I don't really have a problem with any Australian over there ever getting home.

Hi (again) FOXY...

I hope I haven't offended you in some way. If I have, I had no intention to do so. Anyway, I apologize anyway, just in case.

Dear o sung wu,

I am glad you have enjoyed our spirited exchanges, they have given me a welcome relief from replying to the increasingly monotonous one liners that often dribble out of the keyboards of some of the patrons here.

But I will caution you against including Alan Jones in the ranks of our fourth estate. He has no qualifications that would enable him to be granted such inclusion. Bolt at least has a journalistic background although he now considers himself a blogger, commentator and entertainer.

Sales has a degree in Journalism among other qualifications and Cassidy has a thorough journalistic pedigree working his way up from cadetship.

Dear O Sung Wu,

No, you haven't offended me at all.

I always read and enjoy your posts. I value and
respect your opinions. You can be sure that I will
continue to do so. You're a lovely man with a great
big heart who on more than one occasion has made me
re-think my views. So, Thank You. And may you keep
on posting for a very long time. The forum needs people
like you.

Jayb.,

A small correction.

Poirot (and myself), have never supported terrorists,
extremists, fundamentalists of any description. We have
always been strongly opposed to terrorism and violence
in any form. Therefore your attempted slur of Poirot
when she's not here to defend herself is cheap, lame, and
beyond contempt. I expected more from you.

Preferential voting means that someone who is not wanted by the
majority cannot win.

o sung wo I too miss that poster, she had class, did not always agree with me but that is how it should be
Found and lost again, a link to former investigative journalists uncovering one from my side, wonder if that would be branded bad journalism?
All in all conservatives outside Queensland, should vote Liberal, not as in Queensland help my party by reducing the conservative vote

Foxy: Therefore your attempted slur of Poirot when she's not here to defend herself is cheap, lame, and beyond contempt.

I just wondered why she hasn't put her two bits in as she is a full time defender of anything Islamic, like Aljazeera & we all know she dislikes Pauline & anything to do with her with even more passion than Belly. That's all.

Steelie: Bolt at least has a journalistic background although he now considers himself a blogger, commentator and entertainer.

What journalists write is just their opinion, but curried with-in the confines of the Organization for whom they work. Really, their opinion is no better or worse than yours or mine. Weather you agree with a particular Journalist depends of your own particular Belief. If he went to work for another Organization with the opposite flavour of Politics his opinion would change towards that Organizations Flavour of Belief.

As regards Barry Jones. We don't get him on Brisbane Radio & I haven't listened to the Radio in 30 years. So I wouldn't know. I do know that like Darrin Hynch he does cause some controversy, but that's what he is paid to do & he's apparently good at it.

Weather you agree or disagree with him depends on your own Point of View. Ay. By the way just because someone doesn't have a Degree from some crap University doesn't make their Opinion any less valid than yours or mine. It's his job to stir the Pot. That's why they are so highly paid.

Jayb.,

Why would you expect Poirot to write anything on the
forum? She left the forum in late July 2016 and has
not posted since. The assumptions you are making
about her are wrong. I don't think that Pauline
Hanson was ever of any interest to Poirot.

As for journalists and the ABC? You can Google the
qualifications that these people need to even earn
a cadetship. There's no comparison between the journalistic
staff of the ABC and personalities like Andrew Bolt, or
Alan Jones. Comparing them is simply not fair.

Foxy: There's no comparison between the journalistic staff of the ABC and personalities like Andrew Bolt, or Alan Jones. Comparing them is simply not fair.

I didn't Steelie did. I replied to her.

Steelie: <But I will caution you against including Alan Jones in the ranks of our fourth estate. He has no qualifications that would enable him to be granted such inclusion. Bolt at least has a journalistic background although he now considers himself a blogger, commentator and entertainer.

Sales has a degree in Journalism among other qualifications and Cassidy has a thorough journalistic pedigree working his way up from cadetship.>

Foxy: As for journalists and the ABC? You can Google the qualifications that these people need to even earn.

What they do in the Journalism Course at Uni. is to teach the person how to word their articles for the Organizations Market.

As explained in the Pamphlet "Journalism for Beginners" by Hestia Quinn (77) Selecting a Market. Each Organization will chose it's own Style, but adapt it, or slant it to suit it's readers.

Now-a-days the Courses are slanted towards Left Wing Political Reporting. If you were doing the Course now-a-days & put a Right Wing Slant on any article you would be failed & kicked off the Course. Ay.

Jayb.,

Steele is a male.

As for what the ABC requires of its journalists you
can Google for yourself - if you're interested.

There's plenty on the web.

Jayb this is the forum, not the real world, your opinion or mine may not be mirrored in that real world
You drag a once poster,who very well may have left because of such things? out to enforce your views
Tell me, yes I know Islamic fundamentalism is insane, do you think we can ever be Muslim free, by what method?
Can this country ever return to a white Australia policy? how?
Is there a chance we can continue to grow without migration/refugees at all
Was a truth uncovered by AJ or must every thing you do not like be branded fake news

Belly,

"Is there a chance we can continue to grow without migration/refugees at all[?]".

Every chance, it's called breeding.

You do remember how it's done?

Is Mise,

Breeding won't solve the problem - only enhance it.

This country needs a willingness for people to want to
work.
It needs workers. As well as talent and skills.

Are there really enough locals with those traits?

Belly said;
Can this country ever return to a white Australia policy? how?

Belly I am surprised that you are not aware of the latest "woke" ideas.
The latest fad in the Unis is that blacks or others should have their
own safe spaces in education and work and should not have to associate
with, horror, white people.

So as the woke people would like it we could have say Queensland for
black people, WA for Asians, and perhaps we whites could have Victoria
and NSW.
Then we will all have our "safe spaces".

Truley Belly the world has gone stark raving mad.

Bazz,

The latest "woke" phase is popular at the
Universities in the US and the UK. Not in
Australia. A recent incidence illustrates
this when Univ students at the Charles Sturt
University in Wagga Wagga, NSW donned Ku KLux
Klan and black-face outfits for a costume
party. They ended up being forced to take
courses on Indigenous History instead of being
expelled.

Bazz no mate, the world has not gone stark raving mad, some people have
Consider this, could it be some power we do not even know about thinks we should be one world one people?
Is there a chance we are an expresement, that in say two hundred years we will, because we have no other choice be just that
And that by then it will work
YES Integration was better than multiculturalism
But who first said it must now be that, why
Ever found a person from another race who you liked
Would we be better if both sides gave a little ground and forgot the differences
NZ stands head and shoulders above us in its great timeof need it stood proudly, wevmust too

Hi there BELLY...

Indeed she was a very clever, articulate lady. Between FOXY & POIROT, they were both a formidable pair, intellectually, and tactically in many of their arguments. I really lament POIROT leaving The Forum, perhaps if she reads this small piece, she might consent to return, if we blokes can undertake to be on our best behaviour?

Dear O Sung Wu,

Again Thanks for your kind words.

However, lets not forget all of the other great
lady posters. There's Cossomby, Big Nana, CHERFUL,
Susie, and many others too numerous to list.
They were great times.

Hi there JAYB...

I couldn't agree with you more, when you say, you don't have to possess a Degree from a University, to have a valid (& intelligent) opinion. Someone asserted 2GB's Alan Jones hadn't achieved a Journalist Degree. Does it matter? He does have a degree from Oxford, either a BA or B.Ed. If I'm not wrong? Whatever formal qualifications he has or not, Alan JONES is no one's fool.

But you're right, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and whether we are endowed with a string of degrees, it means naught, without buckets of common-sense.

For my penance, I spent several years in the police academy, as an Instructor. Bugger all overtime or penalty rates. We went through a recruiting phase, where the then Commissioner, wanted only graduates, especially those with a law, or accountancy degrees. You wouldn't believe how 'thick' some of these graduates were when attempting to construct a simple 'Brief of Evidence.'

Many left out of their 'Brief's', such essential data that must be included in the vital 'Criminal Proofs,' that are utterly necessary to prosecute an accused successfully. Even some of the basic, 'Five Common Proofs,' were missed! Weren't these recruits supposed to be the 'cream of the crop,' with their law degrees, I certainly hoped not at the time, I can tell you?

Sorry there FOXY...

My memory is not so good these days. I recall SUSIE, the others I can't, I'm sorry.

Belly,

"Ever found a person from another race who you liked[?]".

Yes, my stock horse, he's from the Equine race also my dogs who are of the Canine race and not forgetting the egg suppliers who are kinda mixed up.

If you mean have I ever found a person from a different group of the human race, then, yes.

Is MIse,

What constitutes a person?

Foxy,

Depends on the point of view.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/when-does-an-animal-count-as-a-person-5961226?IR=T

Is Mise,

Indeed it does:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/experts-gather-at-yale-to-discuss-whether-animals-are-1480618670?IR=T

Some think we are not going stark raving mad ?
How about this;
The Tasmanian Govt is to put to parliament a bill to make it legal
for a man to have an abortion !

Is insanity a disqualification to be a member of parliament ?

Bazz in another thread I TRY, not sure it is working, to say there is a center, a place both Liberals and Labor voters live in
Willing to bet that center shares your, and my, view the person putting that bill up is an idiot
Feminism had my support
Before it stopped being about equality and started to become total control
May be a man who put it up hoping it was not one of my side, we do have our dills however