Some on hearing no more charges have been recommended say it proves Trump is innocent
Not yet is doesn't
The numbers linked to him either charged or under investigation are unbelievable
Still sticking to my *he will be gone by years end* prediction we live in interesting times us watch the next few weeks will be interesting

'Still sticking to my *he will be gone by years end* '

Of course Belly all regressives are pig headed who fell for the fake Trump collusion lie and you now have egg all over your face. Take comfort that you and the lying liberal media are in the same boat.

Belly,

As I have said previously, impeaching Trump would require a 60% supermajority in the Republican dominated senate.

Given the failure of the Mueller investigation to come up with anything substantial, and the threats of the democratically dominated congress to launch dozens of unspecified investigations Trump has plenty of ammunition to block these fishing expeditions without falling foul of obstruction of justice, especially since he has stacked the appeal and supreme courts.

Trump won not on his merit, but because the elite left whinge of the democratic party focused more on gender neutral toilets and other fringe politics and ignored its working class base.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-23/key-moments-in-muellers-trump-russia-investigation/10846424
Runner may I? see you are part of the problem not the solution
Very far right of reality you are not capable of seeing the man, and his troubles for what both are
Shadow Minister, hope you do not think, on my behalf,I am claiming impeachment is about to come
Well aware of the fact it probably never will
TOO charging a sitting President seems against American laws
The link is a report of facts, not an ABC knife job
Worth the read, be careful, the next few days, maybe weeks, can turn the issues on their head
It remains my view Trump is in real trouble

Belly,

The only ways Trump can be "gone" is either through impeachment, resignation or death.

Presidents are given protection from every Tom, Dick or Harry trying to charge them and essentially can only be "charged" or convicted by the congress and senate, which generally needs both substantial proof of criminal wrongdoing and support from both the senate and congress.

For example Bill Clinton lied under oath, and a majority of congress and the senate voted for impeachment, but only 54 of the 100 Senators not the 60 needed for impeachment.

Secondly, Trump is unlikely to resign, which leaves only the hope that Mac Donald's cholesterol will carry him away.

Couldn't much care less anymore anyway.
Trump's more or less worn out his usefulness.
- Does more for Israel and Neocons interests than the Americans he won the votes of.

Clinton was impeached. Impeachment in US law is the House of Representatives recommending a trial by the Senate. If the trial results in finding the official guilty the official will be removed from office. Like President Andrew Johnson Clinton was impeached but not convisted.

For conviction under trial after the official has been impeached a 2/3 vote of the Senate is required. In the current Senate of 100 members 67 votes would be needed to remove the official from office.

TRUMP WINS!
CAMPAIGN DID NOT COLLUDE WITH RUSSIANS
MUELLER DOES NOT FIND OBSTRUCTION*
NO PROOF OF CRIMES

Belly, give over & try to grow up a bit. Face it like a man, Hillary lost, thank god, & Trump must be the cleanest president ever, to be able to stand up to all the investigation of the lefty swamp dwellers in the US.

Hasbeen, no with drew it but hasbeen I do not share your views
Now lets look,the numbers of people charged
The numbers sacked or leaving Trumps team
Tax return he refuses to show us
His hope the build a Trump tower in Moscow
How many times he has gone bankrupt
His family working in his administration
Those tapes in his own voice admiting he sexusly assulted some women
Only the DEMOCRATS CAN KEEP TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE
if THEY PICK THE WRONG CANDIDATE again

Belly.

You can't win "No Trumps".

surely the left have learn't something is not true just because they want it to be true. They are shameless. From fake race crime with Justin Mollet, to fake rape crimes from lying feminist to fake collusion crimes against the elected President. What will the lying liberal media move on to next? They certainly have lots of gullible and deceitful followerers as shown by Belly.

Who's Muller?

Well it seems the attempted coup to reverse the results of the 2016 has finally ended. The next stage will start momentarily as those who initiated the coup-attempt and those who participated, face the music.

Today, I'd hate to be Mueller. He's been lauded as a hero for the past two years by those who just 'knew' that he was going to bring Trump low. These people don't like being shown to be fools and they'll be looking for scapegoats. Mueller will be near the top of the list.

Of course, many will simply decide to disbelieve the evidence or just move on to the next piece of moronic assertion.

Other will be looking to pretend they weren't misled. Already the Democrats are demanding that the entire report be released even though they know that that cannot legally happen. When its not released they'll claim some sort of cover-up.

This is a very bad day for the the main-stream media who have been pushing the collusion story for so long despite zero evidence. Already most thinking people distrust the MSM. Many more will join that group.

Anti-Trumpers who've been deceived into accepting the collusion story should, if they had any pride, be examining the quality of the people they've been believing for the past two years, at least. I doubt they will.

But stock up on popcorn. The fun has just begun. The deep state is in for a few bad years and some prisons are going to have some illustrious customers.

yep, got the spelling wrong
But not the substance, Trump is far from in the clear
America would have been badly hurting today if the report had charged him
Have we heard it all? maybe not
Will we? not sure
Remember those flickering black and white newsreels
The total love for Hitler
See just maybe future generations will look at Trump and see much the same

The closure of the special counsel's probe does not
mark the end of legal woes for Mr Trump and the people
close to him.

The full report of Mr Mueller has yet to be released.
What we're getting so far is US Attorney-General
William Barr's interpretation of the report. Given
Mr Barr's public record of bias against the special
counsel's inquiry - he is not a neutral observer
and is not in a position to make objective determinations
about the report.

White House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler
said that Mr Barr will be called upon to testify because
his statements contradict what Mr Mueller stated.
Mr Mueller's report explicitly did not exonerate the
President.

The closure of this probe does not mark the end of the
legal woes for Mr Trump. Other investigations and
litigation are focusing on issues including his businesses
and financial dealings, personal conduct, charitable
foundation and inaugural committee.

Charges have already been brought against 34 people including
Russian agents, former key allies of Mr Trump - such as
campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former national security
adviser Mike Flynn and his personal lawyer Michael Cohen.

None of these charges however directly related (not directly)
to whether Mr Trump's campaign worked with Moscow.

We have to wait and see what develops next. There are still a
series of ongoing inquiries.

'Remember those flickering black and white newsreels
The total love for Hitler'

Oh Belly I did not mean for you in your pig headed ignorance to move on to the next topic. Trump just happens to be the most pro Israelie President for 50 years. You do know that Jews live in Israel don't you? If you were to mention Trudeau,Corbyn or the Greens you might be a little closer to the money.

Some of my favourite reactions so far:

"Two plus years, thirty million dollars, our fbi and doj compromised, thousands of fake news stories, millions of people all entranced in a false story of Russia collusion based on oppo research that was always unsubstantiated and preposterous" Mark Penn, former advise to both Clintons.

"Liberal heads have been exploding all weekend. The good news is that there is no brain matter to clean up."

"Wow! I have not seen the leftists this upset since the Republicans freed the Democrats slaves."

"Sad day for America. Previously respected organizations damaged the country more than the Russians ever did. That was the real collusion."

"It is a complete rout for Democrats and the media, "

don't forget the endless attempts of our own abc through 4 corners and other tax payer funded fake news to push their lying liberal agenda. I have not heard an apology yet.

Foxy,

The democrats have shot their bolt. After 2 years of loudly declaring his guilt, the chances of a successful impeachment have gone from slim to zero, and after the democrats broadcast their intentions to go on a witch hunt of investigations of Trump, he now has the political momentum to simply tell them to bugger off and ignore all their subpoenas.

The wild fury of the democrats is actually boosting Trump in the polls.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42493918
Well yes Trump has triumphed, or so many think
It however is not over till it is over
The Trump supporters insisting on branding anyone questioning the man as left/progressive or even worse?
America under any recent leader, right back to the 60,s has never told us the whole truth
It is my view they dare not, when it comes to Trump

Seriously? We can't see the report yet but given the leaking that went on from Muller's team I'm pretty sure we would have hear if they had found serious dirt on Trump. Frankly I'm surprised they have not come up with more.

The left have well and truly moved onto the territory of investigations looking for a crime. We all should take a moment to think about the kind of society it creates when individuals are investigated not on the basis of "probable cause" crimes but because opponents desperately want to find something.

R0bert

RObert do you or have you ever,hold the view we can believe anything America says
Yes the report tells us nothing to see here
Maybe there is nothing
It did not clear Trump on one very important issue
We will see more developments wait and see

Belly I wish there was as much passion from the left to dig deep for wrongdoing when it’s their own side.

On the surface what appear to be some very serious issues stuff
- the basis of FISA court proceedings which appear to have been an attempt to run surveillance on the Trump campaign based on an unverified dossier known to the key players to have come from partial source
- The IRS’s targeting of conservative groups under Obama
- The serious indications of political interference into the investigation of Clinton’s use of a private email to conduct official State department business and the proven lies regarding the presence of classified material on the private email server
- Decisions around Uranium one, Bills speaking fees from sources associated with that decision
- The immunity given to a number of figures who worked with Hillary during that investigation without any resulting prosecutions.
- The somewhat surreal sentence handed to Jeffrey Epstein for very serious child sexual abuse and the possibility that a lot of powerful figures were involved and potentially open to blackmail as a result. Who and what are in my view still somewhat speculative but the conditions of his sentence don’t make any sense unless he was well protected.
- An apparent pay to play scheme run by the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary it State and broken commitments regarding separation, review etc
- Various other areas where there seems to be strong indicators of serious criminal and or corrupt behaviour meanwhile the left continues to want to further investigate Trump and ignore items where they he likelihood of finding serious corruption is much more likely (especially given the investigation of Trump that’s already been done)

R0bert

Belly,

For starters for anyone that is vaguely capable of being objective, the anti Trump campaign has wildly hyperbolic and largely based on fantasy. Trump may be a douchebag, but the hysterical actions of the left whingers have made him by comparison look reasoned and rational.

P.S. about 90% of those that hate Trump are left whingers

Dear mhaze,

You ask;

“Who's Muller?”

Well Muller shipped out to Vietnam right after Trump got the first of his deferments for bone spurs, you know them, they are the ones he can't even remember which foot they were in, but his doctor ensured they prevented Trump ever serving.

“When called to support another company in trouble near a North Vietnamese bunker system on Mutter’s Ridge, Mueller’s Marines slogged through dense vegetation and ran down their ammo as enemy gunners swarmed. At one point in the battle, Mueller personally recovered two seriously wounded Marines and helped patch them up for evac. After a full day of fighting, the NVA pulled back. 13 Marines had been lost, but they’d killed an enemy company commander “and had virtually decimated his staff,” the Corps later reported.”

“Mueller, among others, was awarded the Bronze Star for bravery; his troops say it was well-earned, along with their respect. “The minute the shite hit the fan, he was there,” one said. “He performed remarkably. After that night, there were a lot of guys who would’ve walked through walls for him.””

“At one point, Mueller was engaged in a close firefight. The incoming fire was so intense—the stress of the moment so all-consuming, the adrenaline pumping so hard—that when he was shot, Mueller didn’t immediately notice. Amid the combat, he looked down and realized an AK-47 round had passed clean through his thigh”

“Mueller kept fighting.”

“Although seriously wounded during the fire­fight, he resolutely maintained his position and, ably directing the fire of his platoon, was instrumental in defeating the North Vietnamese Army force,” reads the Navy Commendation that Mueller received for his action that day.”

Seems like he might have qualified as a 'hero'.

First I regard the users of words like leftist, progressive and such as ILL INFORMED
Second my view Trump will be gone by years end *was never by impeachment*
Or by him being charged while in office.
And in no way are my views based on support for Hillary Clinton
She was never a worthy candidate
Maybe the next Democrat will not be
Trump is a true tramp, self promoting lie teller, of little worth
His family are no better
Those charged, sacked, removed from his team, may bring him down
Look behind YOUR bias, your support for him, because you do not like the other side

Shadow Minister Let me be honest yes I thought this was the end of Trump
I was wrong
I remain convinced he is a fraud and yes,a criminal
Fear he has got people like you on side by deceiving you
He like so many politicians, Joe in QLD these days Palmer, gets support by shouting
Such men are loved by some loathed by others
STOP, using Clinton to prop Trump up
Both highlight that America is and has been for a while, the Disneyland of world politics
Gee they talk of Opra running! maybe that K family next?
America is too big to fail so just maybe, while we wait for Trump to fall, it is covering up a truly explosive event

Belly have you looked at job creation number in the Us recently.

Personally I think all the labels have both their problems and uses. I’d regard most of your views on Trump as either ill informed or badly skewed by main stream narrative.
He does appear to be a flawed individual but for those desperately wanting him gone you really should look at who is likely to replace him. Have a look at the wins and losses from his presidency (in spite of Hillaries Resistance) and ask yourself in you think there is any credible chance the actual alternatives would on balance do any where near the good he has done.

R0bert

Belly,

While I think Trump has the ethics of a wharf rat and while some of the stuff he is accused of is probably true, there is a lot that is pure bollocks. What I find in these threads about Trump is that I get labelled as a Trump supporter because I rubbish some of the more outlandish and bizarre claims made by the anti Trump brigade. We even had some of the most outspoken lefties on this site claiming that Trump was on the payroll of the Russians without an iota of proof.

What we have now is Democratic politicians making some really absurd claims and doing their cause untold damage.

The question about the FBI investigation is not whether it was managed professionally, but why a full blown investigation of a sitting president was initiated on the basis of the most flimsy of evidence, and why much of the media happily assumed that Trump was automatically guilty.

The end result is that the left whinge media has egg all over its face and a seriously damaged credibility. Trump can now sumarily ignore all the "investigations" that Congress throws at him with no personal damage.

"Seems like he might have qualified as a 'hero'."

Who Muller or Mueller?

I wonder if Steven Hatfill thinks of the latter as a 'hero'?

http://patriotcrier.com/f-b-director-robert-mueller-wrongfully-destroyed-steven-hatfill-now-hes-empowered-destroy-president-people-around/

But you've got this all wrong SR. The people who've been telling you what to think about Mueller for the past two years have now decided that Mueller is not to be trusted. Joy Reid et al are saying Mueller is part of a cover-up. The NYT is urging its band of flying monkeys to take Mueller down from the pedestal they themselves erected for him. You need to get with the programme, SR,

What a week it been for Trump. Mueller, the implosion of SPLC, Avenatti indicted, wall Executive Order holds up, DoD finds over $1b for the wall, Golan Heights, Obamacare's individual mandate found to be unconstitutional, Comey et al running for cover, Graham pushing for special investigation of FISA abuses, campus free speach Executive Order. And a bunch more.

Oh and the anti-Trump brigade are trying to work out how they got so much so wrong.

There's more than a little evidence that nations like NK, China and Germany have been dragging their heels on making a deal with the president on the basis they could wait for him to go and then face someone more amenable to compromising US interests. Expect that to change.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-s-problem-voters-never-cared-much-about-russia-gate-20190327-p517w9.html
Heartning Shadow Minister to see you understand the man
Mhaze other methods of sef amusment exist, but if highlighting my spelling mistakes get it it done for you ok by me
Well yes Democrats, as said in this link, must concentrate on other things
Including not picking another Hillary.

Why not tell the truth?
Been reading newspapers, do it every morning, quite a few
Looking for things about Trump that would support my view the bloke is a dangerous fraud
Too looking for things that I agree with
Came up only with biases stuff
But totally think he has conned his way in the the hearts and minds of some, who if they truly understood him, and the danger he is to world trade and peace, would think like I do about him
Smile, pat yourselves on the back, I got it wrong
Or did I we shall see

Belly,

From the Australian today:

"The element of luck is not Mueller finding no collusion. That, presumably, just reflects reality. The element of luck is the way most of Trump’s enemies, in the Democratic Party and in large slabs of the media, so wildly, insanely, overhyped everything to do with the Russia collusion idea.

Trump is immensely lucky in his enemies. But he creates his own fortune because he drives his enemies crazy. As a result they exercise appalling judgment in their attacks."

"...Democrats, and Trump’s opponents generally, have had relatively little to say on these issues. Instead they’ve concentrated on Trump’s obvious character flaws and the equally obviously seedy nature of some of his associates. Because Trump’s very existence as President contradicts everything they think and, more importantly, feel, they have invested in and created all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories against Trump."

Belly,

Firstly, my second lambasting of 'Muller' wasn't directed at you but rather at SR who, failing to notice the error, proceeded to use Mueller and Muller as interchangeable names.

Second, I want to congratulate you on coming onto these pages and openly acknowledging that "I was wrong". None of the other suffers of Trump Derangement Syndrome or Mueller Madness on these pages have shown the intestinal fortitude to do likewise. (where are Paul,SR, Foxy and all the lesser TDS crowd?)

So kudos for that.

Might I suggest that scouring the press "Looking for things about Trump that would support my view the bloke is a dangerous fraud" is partly why you were wrong on this. It was easy to see, if one looked dispassionately, that the whole collusion story was a crock. Its now suggested that even Mueller knew as far back as late 2017.... http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-how-long-has-mueller-known-there-was-no-trump-russia-collusion

But if you scour the papers only looking for things that tell you what you want to hear and you want to hear Trump is a Russian agent, then that's what you'll hear and you'll convince yourself its true because you don't see any contrary evidence.

Perhaps a change of strategy would be in order.

m haze thanks Shadow Minister thanks too
See yes I got it wrong, the world got it wrong, or some one conned us all
Maybe if we ever see the full report we will still not know the truth
America is such a country
My view is Trump, like Hillary, was the wrong person for the job
But never sure modern America is not run by big business and influence and the white house just a front
Such a country is America

"See yes I got it wrong, the world got it wrong, or some one conned us all"

No, the world didn't get it wrong. Vast numbers saw from the outset that it was BS. Others came to realise as the circus continued that it was all rubbish. Only the multitude who wanted it to be true in the face of the actual evidence, believed it and allowed themselves to be conned.

History will have questions about Trump and his supporters mhaze
Just as looking back on Hitler once asked how could they follow him
Trying to whitewash the man is not changing what and who he is
And what he is not is a man good enough to live in the white house