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The Cost Of Communism and Socialism
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Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 March 2019 8:56:17 PM
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The costs of Socialism & Communism are the dumbing-down of the masses and, thanks to modern education we're at about 10 minutes to twelve of reaching that goal !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 17 March 2019 11:08:34 PM
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Canem Malum,
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 March 2019 9:44:57 AM For your information - Foxy's family fled Communism during WWII. They lost many family members. Some were horrendously tortured by the red army, others died in Gulags. Foxy comes from a family that has fought communism at every turn. Foxy herself has taken part in anti-communist demonstrations, written to politicians, and taken part in the fight for the liberation of the Baltic States. You owe Foxy an apology for your repulsive slurs. Answer- Well in that case she must have some small appreciation of how offensive her opinions are to me and my family. If someones policies are communist then whether they realise it or not they are a communist. Marcuse (Frankfurt School) developed his ideas based on Trotskyism- he is considered the founder of the new left- Foxy seems from memory to quote policies of the new left- therefore in my view she is broadly a communist. Many Australian Communists upon returning from Russia in the sixties had become disillusioned with it's implementation in Russia- but even when they returned they couldn't believe that the underlying principles led to the Russian situation- but they arguably did- these people often remained communists- somehow they justified it to themselves- often by saying Russian Communism wasn't Marxist Communism. Democracy and Science means that sometimes you will be offended- as Kant believed- the "truth" is the best policy. I often find comments by Foxy and others to be similarly repulsive- but I manage to pick myself up and continue- I don't ask Foxy for an apology for her offense nor others. I wouldn't accept an apology from Foxy even if she should provide one- as despite the pain the truth is more valuable- free speech is more valuable than political correctness. Anyway... Thank you for your feedback. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_internationalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 18 March 2019 12:03:14 AM
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I consider Foxy's and others views (about Multiculturalism and Immigration amongst others) to be treasonous to the British Australian people and to the preservation of tradition and peoples in the world and believe they should be incarcerated as such- I'm sure she feels the same about me. They say law is not justice. So I'll try to work to improve the law. I believe every culture should have their own country. Maybe in time Foxy will come to see her error- as the young Candace Owens did- but I'm not going to hold my breath- and I wouldn't expect her to change her views on my demands.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 18 March 2019 12:37:27 AM
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CM please consider, you Sir are likely to bring a spotlight on yourself
You tell us YOU not Foxy, are an extreme radical Just as surely as a cough and runny nose warns of a cold or flue Talking about communism as if it actually exists now is telling In reality the very right, Chins, wealthy powerful men buying influence, are the real dangers to the world On first seeing you I did think you to be a bright poster well worth reading What has taken place? Please consider why you are hunting phantoms that no longer exist Posted by Belly, Monday, 18 March 2019 4:11:19 AM
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Belly said 1- Talking about communism as if it actually exists now is telling.
Answer1- We had a thread not so long ago "Is Marxism or Communism still a threat" maybe it was even yours- the conclusion was that it is. Belly said 2- In reality the very right, Chins, wealthy powerful men buying influence, are the real dangers to the world. Answer 2- Yes there are some groups of wealthy power on the side of economic liberalism (free marketeers- what you would call right). But there are a growing number of the wealthy powerful on the side of cultural liberalism (what you would call left) including Jeff Bezos, Eric Schmidt, Tim Cook- even Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and George Soros appear to have moved to the left politically. There is a push for globalism that is common to communism and the two-stage communist theory. Correlation doesn't imply causation so you'll have to follow the bouncing ball to your own conclusions Belly. I find reading source materials and reviews of these illuminating. If you just read the news you will be subject to the same post modern revisionist Orwellian memory hole issue that Winston Smith faced. Some of the conclusions that you reach when reading challenging material are very confrontational- but well worth the effort- they won't always make you change you views but they will always help you see things in a new light. Belly said 3 (Belly, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:57:31 AM)- This proudly progressive centrist refuses to fear shadows Answer 3- The problem with moderates is they are easily influenced by the communists- so effectively they become communist even if they don't name it so. As Einstein said in order to understand a phenomena it's necessary to go deeper than the phenomena itself Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 18 March 2019 7:23:45 AM
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My husband is much smarter than me.
That's for sure.