SteeleRedux, Quote "Philip S, Oh look, a whole dissertation on how we should be blaming the victims."

You have to be one of the most ignorant people here you continually read things that are not there.

** At no point did I blame the victims or even imply they were to blame but on this thread and another you make the same assumption, but you are unable to point to the words that backup your comment. **

Pointing out that there are other events of notoriety that do not receive the same attention from politicians and msm is not blaming the victim except in your deluded mind.

** Very noticeable you even fail to show any sympathy or even acknowledge that the other atrocities occurred. **

Also Quote "But none of this has any bearing on what happened in Christchurch does it." I believe that that statement will come back to haunt you as what is occurring and has occurred around the world is going to be a driving factor that led him to do what he did.

The media et al have told us this guy's a right-wing extremist so it must be true because they wouldn't lie to us, would they? Indeed they told us this even before the perpetrator had been identified!

While I'd prefer to implement the 48 hour rule on this one, reading the Tarrant's manifesto (as its rather grandly been termed) I struggle to see how the charge of right-wing extremism can be upheld.

Extremist - no question.
Many right wing views - absolutely.

But he also called himself an eco-fascist, a 'Green Nationalst' and the nation he most admires is Red China.
He says he has been a communist and anarchist. He hates conservatism. He hates capitalism but loves environmentalism.
Not exactly right wing, let alone extreme right wing views.

Currently Australia is being excoriated for spawning such a man. But he's been in NZ for at least a couple of years and we don't appear to know at this time when he was radicalised.

Hence I want to wait for more and better information before final judgement.

But there are a few observations we can make about the response to this outrageous act. When an Islamic extremist acts, the politicians and media can barely wait for the shooting to stop before declaring that it has nothing to do with Islam. Where are the exhortations to remember that this has nothing to do with right wing politics?

Then we are told, without evidence, that the perpetrator has mental issues which somehow absolves the religion of blame. But again, no one seems to be declaring Tarrant insane.

Then there is the pleas to not blame the non-extreme Mohammedans for the acts of their extreme 'friends'. But no one seems to be running to the defence of right wingers.

I can't quite work out why the difference but I'm sure it'll come to me </sarc>

Meanwhile 40 odd people remain in hospital and in danger. Surely the political blood-letting can await a few days and a little better information.

Dear individual,

So when some teenager tosses a sammo at Gillard you say in his defence;

“Many of us have tried the polite ways to get them to listen but they don't so, do something that startles them back into some reality.”

But when that utter douche gets an egg tapped on to his scone you come over all high and mighty?

Bloody hypocrite my friend.

Philip S,

Oh lordy, lordy, did you really write that post? I mean you were kind of getting there and then you went and put in the last sentence and blew it right out of the water. It is usually pretty hard to hang yourself in one post but you have manged to do just that. Well done.

A really vile tragedy with indisputable political elements milked by Paul, Foxy, Steel (that I've noticed) trying to point the finger of contribution and causation pretty much exclusively at the right.

A lot of people died or suffered serious injury as well as the flow on harm to those around them and to the broader community.

The perpetrators were no friends to the overwhelming majority of those on the right, either by the ideology nor the acts they committed nor the for the ammunition they provide to the unscrupulous on the left to play some pretty dishonest politics with the issue.

Ultimately the blame lies with those who carried out and or provided knowing support for the attack.

At this stage I don't think any of us actually know much about the individuals involved and their path to the evil done in Christchurch so comment on the broader issues is just that and may or may not relate to their specific cases.

When we step back a layer which the attacks on the right are aimed at then there are a lot of factors at play. I'll address one that is in my view core.

The role of the left in de-platforming and censoring those who disagree with their views is I believe a significant contributor to far right extremism. Much better to have those hateful voices able to be rebutted in the public square than forced into dark corners where the only voices are voices of agreement.

Instead we have a world where large numbers of people who disagree with the modern left (many of them who consider themselves on the left) get called far right, racist, homophobes, Nazi's etc. Where there are serious attempts to censor, deprive people of income (related to their views or otherwise).

Those smugly sitting pointing the finger at anybody to the right of you as "the problem" who don't care about the excesses of the left and the role they play in polarising debate and political life could use some self awareness.

R0bert

individual,

How about a link to the appeal page for the young bloke.

To the hard right group of forum Islamophobes;

This is not how it suppose to happen is it, after all you and those like you are the good guys, and the two billion Muslims in the world are the bad guys, every last one of them.

I have to agree with SteeleRedux, you in your own small way contribute to this kind of atrocity. Its through your blind obsession with vilifying all Muslim, that the extremist takes comfort in what he does. This coward believed he was right, acting for the good of you all.

I assume most of you wackos are harmless old fuddy-duddy's, geriatrics at a keyboard, but who knows, one or two of you might be right out of the box!