From Americas Congressional hearings to George Pell please forgive but have conservatives lost it?
From direct inference that Pell is an innocent man pilloried by the left.
That Trump can do no wrong how did the right think it is the home of Christianity
Our very system of law is seen as being under attack because verdicts are not the ones some want
Appeal process is underway, it may or may not turn verdicts upside down
What are we doing?
Coming elections in NSW and Federally may well ask the same question, even answer it, are there votes in extremism?

Belly,
Are you the pot trying to call the kettle black ? It has been stated here countless times now that the two majors are useless.
What more can be said about them ?

Belly its the academic left that don't know that a person with a penis is a boy and a person with a vagina is a girls. It is the left/feminist Marxist that make up false claims about being raped and then have the media back them. It is only emasculated pathetically weak males that tolerate this nonsense. Do you also wear a pussy hat along with the others with deranged Trump syndrome?

"Have Conservatives lost the plot?"

I'm not sure.

What is the plot?

runner,

Well Trump's tastes do vary don't they?
As for his being deranged? Many experts agree
on that diagnosis. His actions are unpredictable
even you have to admit that. As for a person's
genitalia? Some people have both of what you describe.

Foxy,
Forget trump, let's just focus on Australia for a while.
I just hear the good news of 5 Coalition Ministers getting out. At least they were smart enough not to wait till they had to be pushed.
Labor needs to follow suit with Albanese, Bowen, Wong, Plibersek, Burke & Shorten.

' As for a person's
genitalia? Some people have both of what you describe.'

Oh because of that Foxy if Trump wins the election in 2020 and decides to identify as a women you will celebrate him/her becoming the first female US President!

runner,

Trump identifying as a woman?

Now that might prove interesting - both for him
and the rest of us. (smile).

Trump's daughter will be the first female POTUS.

Foxy said- ' As for a person's genitalia? Some people have both of what you describe.'

Answer-
There was a doctor who promoted the Tabula Rasa - Sexual Blank Slate Theory- was promoted as a pioneer after surgery on a hermaphrodite to remove their male sex organ who as an adult had gender reasignment surgery- this pioneer doctor was later discredited- this serves as a warning to those in frontier fields. This led to a better understanding of the role of testosterone in gender assignment in the brain during pregnancy. When facing the unusual case of hermaphrodite births the "do no harm" constraint is challenged- perhaps the unusual case study above is exceptional- but the desire for the children to be accepted and perceived as normal fits with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

While I can understand the doctors dilemma in this case I am cautious of ascribing simplistic solutions such as gender reassignment in normal circumstances due to the "do no harm" principle. The doctors and psychologists straddle the fence between psychological gender issues and psychopathology- I'm not sure mans understanding of the brain is sufficient to delineate between them.

I find the psychological and integrity issues somewhat problematic when gender acknowledgement leads to lack of acceptance within society. Some have said that Liberalism focuses on the first two levels of Maslow's Hierarchy and dumps the rest. Maybe we should do as our ancestors advised- teach people to try to fit in on one side- and try to be patient on the other

Some interesting articles - one by Steven Pinker- I see him as a Liberal but he has some redeeming arguments. Similarly Psych Today seems to be fairly left editorially.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201609/the-blank-slate-controversy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blank_Slate

This part of the Psych Today article is interesting- (but requires some verification)- "For humans, women who were exposed to high levels of sex hormones in the womb - because their mothers mistakenly continued to take birth control pills - more self-identified as lesbians."

Some posters just do not have the ability to think outside a bias that blinds them
Pell shows us just that
Let us be honest,SOME for hundreds of years,have covered/refused to investigate, offenses against children
EVEN parents
Pell is if found guilty after his appeal, just one of thousands, from many faiths, that we know have been charged
Conservatives please tell me, are you saying the law is tainted by leftys, because he was found guilty
Or are you saying us lefty's should not have seen him charged because he is an ultra conservative
Christ was never the property of conservatives

Yet again we must talk about that hollow insult lefty
Anyone nb\ot a rabid right poster is branded lefty
It started with the Tea Party America,and Trump perfected it
It is a blind lie
Trump will fall,his followers will be forced to see he was always a fraud
A rebirth of Republican/Liberal [Australia] will be powered by the very fact Trump will be unmasked
Great harm is being done to Christianity by the silly view Christ was a Conservative, who hated the other side
Conservatives in this country are not in numbers big enough to ever be other than a wrecker of Liberal votes

http://www.smh.com.au/national/doubters-outcry-over-pell-verdict-disrespectful-to-jury-legal-system-20190301-p51154.html
Law and order insulted in the name oifdefending such a man, yes indeed

Well my absence the thread stalled but my answer is yes indeed the here at least, Conservatives have lost the plot
Everything I know about elections tells me the extremes harm true Liberal and yes Labor voters
Many will not need reminding about the DLP
The Diplomatic Labor Party
It kept Labor out of office for twenty three years
With the assistance, yep understand it was both a useful tool for anti Labor forces but also true *the faceless men who ran the party*
Along came the Greens, once a true conservation party, it became the very real mess it is, [in NSW at least] right now
Now? blind Freddy can see Conservatives are taking National party votes in the bush
One Nation, like the Greens, can never rule this country, but they can, and have, helped Labor win seats away from LNP
Continued

Too rather than even considering fixing the leaks in the conservative boat we see?
Think for yourself, posts telling us the loss of Wentworth did not say anything about voters thoughts
Confront it, not just in Labor is disunity death at the polls
Getting the best outcome is the beast we can get, not damning your own side to death by a thousand cuts because your extreme views are not shared,even by your support base
Conservatives have indeed lost the plot, and the next election

Belly have you heard about the New Green Deal in the US. Pushed by some silly little bar tender, & being endorsed by some of the Democrat leadership?

Have you looked at it?

Do you really think it's conservatives who have lost the plot?

Come on mate, time to grow up a bit.

Hasbeen mate
Grow up? you talk about America, a country lead by an idiot and if you look at my post in Bazz,s thread, it mirrors yours
Now look at my posts re Pells defenders
Stretch your mind a bit, is giving some considered thought to my charges here worth a try
Or blundering into a massive election loss, because conservatives want to rebut the truth
Right now, yes now, the world is about to see a shift, powered by Trumps coming downfall
And an demand by true Liberals/Republicans that rebuilding both party,s takes place
Get on the bus, its starts its journey here and in America soon

Belly, there is nothing like ideology to make people blind.

Hasbeen getting angry with you helps no one
But you need to know you seem a little less informed than once saw you to be
QUESTION, would like an answer
That ALP filth from Queensland, sent to prison for acts of pedophilia
The NSW filth for the same reason
You KNOW I never would, but if I came here protesting the verdicts?
Are you seeing the point?
Is God a Conservative
Did some one taint the evidence just to get Pell
Are the Catholics from all over the world convicted of this crime not guilty
Indoctrination? Mate ge back to your day lilleys,mine did not come good, not enough spring water/rain

http://www.smh.com.au/national/father-of-dead-pell-victim-thanks-son-s-friend-for-guts-to-come-forward-20190304-p511pe.html
No answer to mu question?
If I disappear it will not be with my tail between my legs
Net will be on and off for 6 days soon
NBN working on driving users mad
Now this question
How did Christ become a super conservative
How did he and one man become the flagship of a Conservative force so intent on its own path it is about to destroy this government?
I could have filled ten posts, ten time that,with link after link to? highlight
Child sexual offending
BY MOST FAITHS MOST cHURCHES
YOUR God was about love, about care and concern for very one
Yet a section seen here, not all but too many, defile Christianity by refusing to*give Cesar his due* obey the laws of the land
Conspiracy? more like insanity in my view

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/uk-child-abuse-probe-looks-at-politicians/news-story/20c42e1794db56185ff6b920a0501a87
Heart breaking, children victims and still covered up
We are a lesser form of life if we ignore this

No answer to mu question?
Belly,
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black ! Not only do you never contribute by answering,
you also have no concept what it is to think of all, not just one biased group !
Bringing up US issues is your only escape from addressing Australian ones !
Very poor show old chap !

indy the state of the world is worth talking about
No longer expect you to understand so will lay it out for you
The America Tea Party set out to make the Republican party their property
Australian Liberal right followed
Trump mastered that movement
Liberal right followed
My point was /is both here and in America that movement went too far
And is about to crumble, here and there
Caught up?
Having followed those supporters, are about to confront those two movements, never ever had the numbers to hold on to power
Now indy, do you still see my comment as wrong
Sorry but it clearly is a justification of the thread I started,s title

is mise
Sir, you have trolled me many many times about not answering questions
Are you in hiding
Why no answers to my questions
Have you any sympathy or concern for victims of Catholic Pedaphils
Do you think those who gave evidence against Pell are lying
Are you prepared to accept that SOME Catholics did commit such acts
regards

Dear Belly,

It is worth discussing that social issues do have so
much power to divide a party. History has shown that
major parties can and do splinter. What's so
debilitating for the Liberal Party is the constant
argument that saps the party's energy in disputes
about climate change, the treatment of women,religious
freedom, gay rights, and more. It's telling that social
issues have so much power to divide the party when its
message to Australia is that it stands for stable
government and careful economic management.

In the language of the leaders we hear one thing - they try
to assure voters that their priority is a stronger economy.
Yet in the bickerings of its back-benchers and ministers
it seems they're more concerned about who's allowed to
get married, what students are taught about sexuality in
state schools, or whether schools can sack gay teachers
or not giving quotas to women, and so on.

Libs are free to crusade for their social agenda in
Parliament, of course. But they can't complain when
voters laugh at them at the next election when they claim
that they've spent the past 3 years totally focused on
economic management and national security.

cont'd ...

I see a formal divorce between moderates and
conservatives in the Liberal Party as only a
matter of time. There's no perfect answer for any
political party debating its direction. As I've
stated previously - history has shown that major
parties can and do splinter. Whether this one
can rise from the ashes - we'll have to wait and see.
Strong leadership is required - but where will it
come from?

Foxy agree with much you say, back after 6 days no net, after 4 no service, and ten night only
Survived that horrible music while waiting for human contact
Even made it past the worse go online and check? why you can not get online?
This election , more than most, has small teams who do more good for those they oppose
Clive Palmer[ unworthy of any one vote] harms the LNP
As do super conservatives within and running against them
Labor must confront the greens are [in their current lowest state] our enemies not friends
Two teams can govern LNP Labor
A vote for one of the rest harms the side voters want to win
No dream team is standing we pick one or the other
IT CHUFFS ME! to see QUEENSLAND super conservatives greatly assisting Labor to win both that state and the election

Dear Belly,

We live in a safe Liberal seat in Melbourne.
I don't think that much is going to change
in our electorate. Still it would be great
to have a different candidate given a chance.
This guy has been in his seat for 29 years and
the only time we see him is prior to every
election. Very frustrating.

Foxy from inside a state campaign, foot soldier not running it
A reduced majority hurts the one who lost and cheers the one who bought it about, reward this mob?
Not a chance