Belly,
In case you haven't noticed I only resort to sarcasm AFTER it has been dished out to me.
I don't like having to go down that way but there are times when people simply don't take notice of what is being proposed & why & sarcasm seems to make them sit back & think ! sad but true !
People have an indisputable Right to air their views but when they overstep the mark through deliberate misquoting or condemn people who are doing nothing more than offering solutions then the undermining has to be addressed.
It's because of this self-serving undermining mentality that this Nation must be planning for a future national Service. It's the only way to regain some integrity, particularly among those in authority.

indy let me be clear, my differences with you are only in our opinion, nothing else
Please let me say it again, I do not dislike you but some times your view
I see in your second last post a shot at me, defend myself
The thread is about a thing I saw as a very real threat, forgive me for taking it seriously
Here, online in general, we can not force others to agree
We by our very nature, want to think we are telling it as we see it
Asking others to agree is never going to work

Here, online in general, we can not force others to agree
Belly,
i'm not forcing anyone to agree with me, I'm trying to make them see & look ahead to the future of this nation !
As it is now all I seem to witness is an unwillingness to contribute for the good of all.

indy sorry, true I am, but I do not share your pessimistic views about the world
Every problem has a solution, and often it is not one you or I can see
Just think if the true right, or true left had total control
This world would be a grim place

This world would be a grim place
Belly,
There are some three billion people who'll tell you the world is already a grim place.

Let us end our over the fence natter indy we are not addressing the subject and at times do not even understand what we are talking about
See you in another thread