'. It would be extremely difficult to get laws passed in any Parliament of Australia that tighten abortion laws. The majority of politicians, like the majority of the electorate support the existing laws.'

yep I agree Paul but only because the pollies that won't stand against what is obviously such a heinous crime have no backbone. And of course I suspect with the Labour/Greens you are unlikely to be endorsed for displaying some decency. Recently their was an Emily's lister (in US) who had her support withdrawn because she opposed full time abortion. The other strange thing is that their is an uprising among many young people who are courageous enough to accept the science of an unborn baby still being a person. Obviously more couragous than my generation.

But yeh we are in agreement for once which is a small bonus.

runner, I have discussed my views on abortion with a few in my party, even parliamentarians. When I explained I was not simply a hard line No!No!No! person, they are understanding. I much prefer, not to get to the position where an abortion is being contemplated, I think education is important in that regard. But when it has come to the point an abortion is being considered, then alternatives should be explored. There are certain circumstances such as medical grounds where abortion is necessary, sad as it is.

The consideration of an abortion has come up more than once in my extended family. A nephew and his wife, practising Mormons, have a severely handicapped seven month old boy in NZ. When doctors become aware of the situation, they did "make the offer" but it was refused, and they are now coping as best they can with their fourth child. Its not an easy thing, and it should not be seen as an easy thing.

I have no objection to parents objecting to calls for abortion, just as I'd have no objection for them to refrain from demanding others foot the bills for their decisions.
Accidental misfortune must be a collective responsibility, deliberate insistence on clearly forseeable problems should be the immediate family's & those insisting with them.

'A nephew and his wife, practising Mormons, have a severely handicapped seven month old boy in NZ. When doctors become aware of the situation, they did "make the offer" but it was refused, and they are now coping as best they can with their fourth child. Its not an easy thing, and it should not be seen as an easy thing.'

agreed however the debate should be about the other 98%. The dishonest debate about the 14 year old girl who was raped has led to open slather. You obviously know that your nephews case is not the norm. Its encouraging to hear of someone willing to think of life before convenience.

runner I wounder what the child would think
Yes it is always going to be a harsh conversation
And again it should not be a matter of the mothers social needs
But I suspect given a chance some children may have confronting views

And again it should not be a matter of the mothers social needs
Belly,
I see, so in all your years as a union rep you never considered the social needs of those whom you got a pay rise for at the expense of others ?
What did you actually represent them for then if not for their social needs?