Right - so we should just keep on doing what we're doing
and keep right on getting what we've got. However,
Newsflash - it's only going to get worse!

Foxy, put your research skills to work & check out the effect of low sun spot numbers.

Check out the Maunder minimum, & what low sunspot numbers did to the temperature, & how many the cold killed.

Anyone who still believes CO2 has anything but an insignificant effect on our temperature, has not done their homework, & is being duped by the elites.

Anyone who does still believe is going to want all the coal underground burned to increase CO2 to try to warm the place up.

Yes summer has been hot, up here because of no rain so far, but that is following the coldest, most frosty winter ever in my experience. We lost local natives to the consistent frosts all winter.

The weather bureau is now a proven incompetent or lying organisation, but the flora is telling us something, & dying to do it.

Please go do the research, then come back with your findings. Appeals to authority, when the authority has become untrustworthy, just won't hack it.

Foxy,

I have been following climate science long before it was hijacked by the left. I think we are more at risk from poor economic decisions than meaningless fifty year extrapolations. Which nation might be better able to find solutions to problems: a destitute Venezuela or the evil capitalist United States?

Freeman Dyson was interested in understanding how atmospheric carbon dioxide interacts with the biosphere, not inaccurate computer modelling. Tim Flannery proffered the idea of building offshore kelp farms fertilised with solar powered pumps used to circulate nutrient rich water from the deep ocean. Ideas like that might have economic benefit in addition to increasing biomass. I have read of profitable seaweed farming operations in China and the United States, so it is not an idea without precedent.

What is apparent is that wind and solar are not delivering what was claimed. That may change with technological improvement, but we live in the present with its technical and economic constraints.

ttbn,
>You called me simple minded and an idiot for no reason other than I don't fall for your
>lies and lack of sensible argument, as well as the fact that you are a nasty person.
On the contrary – I called you simple minded and an idiot because you were unable (or at the very least, unwilling) to comprehend that I was (or even just could be) telling the truth. Believe me, I'd much rather have a sensible argument, but I'm unaware of how to do so with someone who makes false accusations of lying every time they hear something that contradicts their prejudices.

I suggest you open your eyes up! Question everything, and take nobody's word for it. Failing that, at least try to be nice – you'll find that as a person I'm far from nasty.

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Fester,
Venezuela was the wealthiest nation in South America once, but it ceased to be that way long before the socialists came to power. Decades of procyclical economic policy destroyed much of that nations wealth, impacting particularly hard on the poorest. Don't get me wrong – the Venezuelan socialists were worse, being peculiarly anti business. But the biggest problem is that they kept the Bolivar fixed against the US dollar even when oil prices halved. Interestingly an overvalued currency was the main factor that destroyed the Soviet economy a couple of decades earlier.

Socialism in Western Europe didn't result in death and tragedy. But very few on the left have a bitter ideological hatred of capitalism. Many more merely see disadvantages in capitalism that are worth addressing. The vast majority of those on the left want success, but not at the expense of the environment. So too do many of those on the right.

Australia's coal fired power stations are unreliable - on average there's a breakdown every three days. Meanwhile the economics have changed, and renewables (including the cost of firming) are now cheaper than using fossil fuels.
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Hasbeen, I suggest you read http://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

'runner, what about Moses and his ark, wasn't he a believer in climate change?'

close Paul. Try Noah and the ark. And yes human activity similar to what god deniers promote today certainly moved God to destroy by flood. Thankfully for you and me He took mercy on Noah. What it showed was that perverse moral actions such as lying, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality , murder of unborn certainly resulted in far more catastrophe than people trying to cool or heat their homes at a reasonable price.

Dear Hasbeen,

How's it going old cock? Good?

You say to Foxy;

“Please go do the research, then come back with your findings. Appeals to authority, when the authority has become untrustworthy, just won't hack it.”

Interesting tactic you have got going there, basically claiming any authority which might be able to show you are full of hot air as usual is not trustworthy? Right.

You continued; “Yes summer has been hot, up here because of no rain so far, but that is following the coldest, most frosty winter ever in my experience. We lost local natives to the consistent frosts all winter.”

Well lets look at your local weather station shall we.

Most specifically the lowest average temperature for each month over the last 110 years. The lowest ever month of June was in 1946, the lowest for July was in 1972 and the lowest for August was in 1976.

So how close did you get. Well both June and July were not even in the bottom 10% so nothing special there. However August figure was indeed in the bottom 10 percentile although it was above 2008. Therefore it would follow you have lived there for less than 10 years or else we have to concede memory does funny things when you have ideology playing silly buggers with it.