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Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 10:07:03 AM
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Facts:
Germany spent $580 billion on renewables over last decade and got: Zero emissions reductions A 50% increase in cost of electricity Electricity supply ten times more carbon-intensive than in France Electricity nearly twice as expensive as in France Meanwhile, France spent $33 billion on wind-solar over the last 10 years and the carbon intensity of its electricity supply increased because the intermittent nature of wind & solar required burning more natural gas. And electricity prices rose, too! Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 10:45:51 AM
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Dear Lucifrase,
Oh come on mate, please stop trying to make it look like you have gone and done the research yourself. Failing to at least acknowledge your sources is borderline dishonest at best. The quote comes from one of the nuclear industry's highest paid lobbyists; http://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1095054728126435334 He heads the misnamed 'Environmental Progress' whose "campaign has involved a blizzard of misinformation and relentless, dishonest attacks against environment groups, particularly Friends of the Earth (FOE) and Greenpeace. http://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/853/exposing-misinformation-michael-shellenberger-and-environmental-progress But even by his figures, which I don't trust one bit Germany, has transitioned away from a huge reliance on nuclear power without increasing its emissions, quite an amazing feat in anyone's book. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 3:23:39 PM
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Which of the facts (which Shellenberger does not own BTW) are wrong?
Germany has "transitioned" as much to French nuclear, Nordic hydro, gas and coal as it has to renewables since dumping what it has of its own nuclear capacity. Look also at storage in Germany. It's going nowhere because nothing grid-scale that is invented is viable. It's going nowhere while Russian gas increasingly assumes backup, new coal-fired power and coal-mines are built, and clean energy is imported. Shellenberger is a part of an environmental movement that cares about our future. Big Coal/Oil/Gas certainly doesn't love him, nor does Big Green. Faith in invention and playing the man is the Green orthodoxy prevailing over sensibly addressing facts and science. Come on yourself, mate. Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 6:56:28 PM
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Since when has the left let facts cloud their ideology? That is what I find very frightening. Scarlet with a pink veneer.
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 7:18:19 PM
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No doubt Dr James Hansen is a shill for the nuclear industry too.
http://seekerblog.com/2015/08/09/james-hansen-on-big-green-its-all-about-the-money/?fbclid=IwAR2A3jN5xCkjNqTMI9qEfhuQIAy2tBwIeyISK_lvMWGxnSiqhK-NOqciDmA http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/iowa-view/2014/10/11/james-hansen-climate-change-speaking-truth-power/17118625/ Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 7:20:26 PM
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Germany has become what it is when it stopped being run by Germans. If only the leftists could take that into consideration when next they propose Doctors overruling Border policies !