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Climate Mania Is The 21st. Century Crowd Madness

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Viv Forbes, Executive Director of the Saltbush Club, believes that every society will go through “at least one episode of crowd madness”, the current madness being climate change hysteria, which he compares with, “ the Dutch Tulip Mania in 1636”; the British “South Sea Bubble in 1720”; Zimbabwe in 2008, and a few others. We are in the 'green mania’ period where the 21st. Century maniacs blame every natural disaster on the use of cheap, reliable energy.

Green Energy "is a relic from a bygone era when most people lived or worked on farms and relied on animal power, windmills, sailing ships….”, writes Forbes. Subsidising, mandating and promoting its use in modern urbanised industrial society is a “con-trick worthy of the shady salesmen of past manias”
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 February 2019 10:00:16 AM
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mostly invented by Christophobes.
Posted by runner, Monday, 4 February 2019 2:23:11 PM
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Meanwhile back in the real world, cheap reliable power is essential, and renewables are the cheapest way to generate it in Australia (though nuclear power is a more sensible solution in some other countries that are less sunny/less windy/more densely populated).
Coal fired power is not only more expensive, but also unreliable – see https://reneweconomy.com.au/coal-power-plants-in-australia-broke-down-once-every-three-days-in-2018-2018/

Recognition of the need for action on climate change does not amount to hysteria. A significant warming of our atmosphere is known (even though Australia is affected much less than most other countries) and the changes we have made to the composition of the atmosphere are known to have a warming effect. The hysterics are the ones under the delusion that coal fired power is cheap and reliable, and renewables expensive and unreliable.

There have been plenty of bubbles in our time, on the share market and in real estate. That's human nature. But I'm puzzled why Viv considered Zimbabwe in 2008 to be an example of crowd madness – surely that was government madness?
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 4 February 2019 2:37:12 PM
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Oh god Aidan is out of his box again.

Surely $14,000 a kWh for power in SA & Vic, caused by their love affair with alternate power along with blowing up, & closing the very coal fired power stations that have given us cheap power for decades should be enough to shut him up for a while.

Aiden, repeating a lie often enough just turns everyone off, convincing no one.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 4 February 2019 3:28:07 PM
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Hasbeen,
Your question contains a false assumption: that power prices rising to the maximum price at times of high demand is cause by renewables.

But in reality it's not a new thing; it long predates the solar and wind power. See http://reneweconomy.com.au/how-did-wind-and-solar-perform-in-the-recent-heat-wave-40479/

Yes, coal gave us cheap power for decades, but that was decades ago. Economics have changed but you seem to have failed to notice.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 4 February 2019 4:15:50 PM
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Hasbeen,

If Aidan still thinks unreliables are cheap, there is no hope for him. He's told the same lie so often that he probably believes it, or, he is too pigheaded to admit they he is wrong.

There's a town in Texas called Georgetown, where the municipality is apparently responsible for electricity, and where the village idiot doubles up as mayor. This idiot mayor went 100% unreliables; he was feted by Al Gore, and spent a lot of his time basking in the limelight on TV, giving interviews and so on.

However, now that Donald Trump has lifted the ban on fracking, and other Americans are getting cheaper power, up to $2,000 per year LESS than the citizens of Georgetown, Tx, the media can't find the mayor to get a comment. Perhaps he should employ Aidan as his press officer.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 4 February 2019 5:44:05 PM
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