Individual,

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of posting is a breakthrough in the way
we communicate.

Hey Foxy,

"Paul's intentions are well meant.
He's trying to stop you guys from
becoming blowhards."

Blowhard were one of my favourite bands for a while some years ago.
I thank you for making me think of them.

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the way
we communicate.
Foxy,
precisely, that's why I prefer to hear from the horses mouth instead of it's ar$e !

Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 31 January 2019 12:24:35 PM

Answer- In answer to your comments here I agree it sounds like the management is the issue not the police. Seems that vicpol has become politicized- it would be interesting to see the legal view of the "separation of powers" in this case. It appears that law and order will suffer under the Victorian Labor Government no matter what they do- as far as numbers- as long as the police are afraid to do their job- due to communist diversity policies.

Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 February 2019 4:48:27 PM

Answer-

http://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/criminal-offences/behaviour-in-public-that-is-against-law

http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/5423/what-types-of-behaviours-would-be-considered-as-di.aspx

With respect SteeleRedux

Perhaps the youths could be considered for the following...
- disorderly conduct in a public place

Also there is the provision for the quiet enjoyment of their property. When there is interaction between public and private spaces there is the potential for breaches of the peace. I believe that the owner of the property has a right not to have youths sitting on his car and 30 of them standing around the outside of his house without some reason. If the property owner became agitated I would have moved on if I was them. Anyway the council will possibly now block the alley for everyone for the actions of the few.

Perhaps the following is the underlying cause of the problem...

What constitutes a breach of peace is somewhat arbitrary and is open to interpretation- that is why social norms are important and why social situations can lead so easily to conflict with people from different cultures- you can't legislate on everything- so every culture should have their own nation. A rule that was once common- do in Rome as the Romans- seems to conflict with Communist diversity policy (one world people against capitalism).

It's Locke liberalism that seems to separate morality from the community- law resides in the massively centralized institutions - according to Locke in an attempt to allow man to live in a "state of nature". But this state of nature never existed- isn't natural- so this assumption of Locke Liberalism (on which our Liberal Democracy is based) leads to ridicule. Others believe power of law should be "localized". It's an example of the hands and the head of the community having different ideas.

In older times young people respected their elders- perhaps the problem is lack of family and community structure in the contemporary (modern?) world. If a youth played up the adult could chat with their parents.

There are always those nark's with an over inflated sense of authority, always at the ready to throw their weight around, weight which in reality they don't possess. This "Frank" Bogan could be such an individual. If this is the case, how dare "Frank" take the law into his own hands by the wielding of such an offensive weapon in the form of a baseball bat at kids he has firstly incited through verbal abuse, and threatening posture.
The general lack of police response, does in itself bring into question the actions of "Frank" and those involved. Not content with coming off second best in the whole affair "Frank" takes it upon himself to stir the matter up to get some satisfaction. The $1000/day armed guards, and for how many day? Along with alerting the tabloid TV show 'A Current Affair' that "I have a juicy one for you!" and then they run with it on prime time TV. All so poor "Frank" can feel vindicated.