This thread never saw its author re-appear
My concern it was a sham, trying to muddy Labors waters, seems proved
We touch many themes some laughable some deeply interesting
Just watched a very old American movie
Gods Generals about their blood bath uncivil civil war
This very much ex Christian was struck by the love and faith those people had in God
Even welcoming death it seemed
This world may or may not need God
But it needs unity

Be practical, be realistic, and own up to when you were wrong. Then change what was wrong and don't keep trying it again, and again, and again, and.....

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8583

One could argue that the LNP has effectively become socialist, of sorts, how?

Integrating large corporates with the state, and centralising policy making and communications, while hollowing out the voice and actions of genuine 'members'.

We observe how the top end of town is fawned upon and allowed commercial and/or financial advantages (not given to small business nor SMEs), policy making for same via the IPA, coopting Christianity, while branches of the LNP are more dictatorship of a shrinking proletariat (lack of genuine grass roots constituencies) with narrow/shallow communication, PR and agit prop dominated by NewsCorp and other commercial media (while intimidating the ABC and precluding need for censorship).

Australian Conservativism is being dragged down a rabbit hole like Trump's GOP, UK's Brexit and starker examples of Erdogan's and Orban's neo Bolshevism, masquerading as Conservativism, for the top people or corporates.

Andras Smith a breath of fresh air my regards
This year by its massive victory's the ALP will bring about reform
In the LNP
Conservatives have wrestled the party to the lost right of reality
Only here in OLO have they got the numbers

Foxy,

Your link to the ABC has a "reductio ad absurdum" streak to it.

The dictionary definition of socialism is:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Whereas conservatives prefer to reduce the influence of government to the minimum.

The questions that determine the degree of socialism in the government are:

1 Does Labor want to raise or lower taxes? (they are clear that they want to raise taxes.)
2 Does labor want to increase or decrease government spending/participation in the market. (clearly labor wants to spend more and be more involved in the market.)
3 Does labor want to sell off government means of production or increase it. (Labor wants to keep the power stations harbours etc and increase involvement)
4 Does labor want to increase the involvement of the unions in control or make the labor market more flexible. (clearly Labor is controlled by the unions and want to ban casual labor etc)

While labor is not Marxist (abc's definition of socialism) it is clearly socialist.

The pride of the Labor Party.

Typical Labor Premier wasting more than $380,000 dollars of taxpayers' money hunting for "likes" on his Facebook page and creating videos he starred in that were shared on his social media platforms

http://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/1084775565356351490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw