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How stupid are these people!
ttbn,
In the extreme but in their defence we must acknlowlege that it is not natural stupidity, it's educated. This is achieved by educating common sense out of the mind & replacing it with blind faith in people who's only expertise is waffling jargon.
Hence the state of Nations since the education revolution.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 12 January 2019 6:43:29 AM
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//There's no way reason to believe there is reliable people testing the pills.//

If you say so, although if everybody is that crooked then there's no reason to assume that all the cops aren't on the take, in which case your law & order, zero tolerance model won't work either.

I guess sometimes you just have to have a little bit of faith in people.

Also, in my experience, analytical technicians tend not to come across as psychopaths. One common trait of psychopaths is that they are prone to boredom and have a need for stimulation. They are not the sort of people who are attracted to jobs that even most non-psychopaths would regard as dull, like being an analytical technician. It concerns me that you seem to see psychopaths everywhere, when we know statistically that simply isn't the case. I recommend you check out 'The Psychopath Test' by Jon Ronson if you get a chance; it's a fascinating book and it may help lay some of your fears to rest.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 12 January 2019 8:40:42 AM
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Individual,

Of course. People do and think what the mass media tells them to do and think. Mass media - mass hysteria.

“I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens who, reading newspapers, live and die in the belief that they may have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time”. (Thomas Jefferson)
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 12 January 2019 8:51:01 AM
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To Toni.

Perhaps you haven't seen or heard how crazy people can be when drugs are around. It doesn't have to be illegal either. Because of this I wouldn't be so quick to say that only psychopaths would be corrupted by being near drugs.

Police that deal with drugs are known with a stereotype of corruption more often then other fields like murder investigation, or theft.

Within the last few years, hospitals have confessed to a problem. Prescription drugs being stolen by staff. Not just an occupational issue by one hospital or an other, but a much more wide spread problem. Then there is the opioid crisis that is going on more recently.

But these things are in the news. Perhaps you've never seen it first hand or heard about it from someone you know? A coworker I knew had an accident once that then required surgery and pain medication. One of her friends said she would help her out while she was recovering. Instead what the friend did was take the bottle of pills and replace the pills with rocks. Causing a lot more pain during recovery.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Sunday, 13 January 2019 3:37:28 AM
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There are plenty of examples of people losing their trustworthiness just by being around drugs. Both with legal and illegal drugs. For the legal drugs, both hospitals and police have added securities measures and restrictions on access to combat the problem. And at homes I've seen commercials for people to lock up their meds so their kids or grandkids don't start taking the same things, just as a precaution.

However, instead of tightening down restrictions on drugs. The idea is that at a music festival or any other large party to have pill testing stations, with the intention to make those places outside of the law, thus no control to cut the corrupting factor that drugs are in every day life.

In my opinion that removes the argument of "if" it will end horribly. And instead turns it into a question of "when," "where," and "how bad" the incidents are.

A second issue of cost makes this also worth pursuing. The only way for this pill stations to be effective is if they are run by a chemist, or at least a trained technician. Both who would be committed to their job and not ready to take money on the side. (By the way that's also not that uncommon for people to do either). This means it'll have to be a higher cost to have the stations, and won't be a sustainable cost for parties or events. (Unless it's paid by the people putting the event together instead of taxes, then it could be part of ticket costs or something).

Ttbn had it right to think the cost will be great. What I don't get though is who he's the only one who even replied to the question "how much will this cost." It's as if people don't care how to fund this project. That should be one of the first points to consider so that you know your really serious about it instead of being unreasonable.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Sunday, 13 January 2019 3:42:04 AM
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//Perhaps you haven't seen or heard how crazy people can be when drugs are around.//

This is all getting pretty far-fetched, NNS. I can only speak for myself, of course, but if you gave me a job analysing pills I wouldn't immediately start swallowing every sample in sight just because I could. They're chemical compounds, mate, they don't exude some mystical energy field or exotic form of radiation which diminishes the impulse control of people who sit too near them. I think you might be thinking of red kryptonite, but it only works on Kryptonians.

Look, if people aren't into drugs, they're not going to start taking them just because the opportunity presents itself. Why, I bet you could walk around all day with a bag of smack in your pocket and not once be tempted to shoot up. And if you can do it.... what's stopping anybody else? A pineapple says it's not Jeebus.

//The idea is that at a music festival or any other large party to have pill testing stations, with the intention to make those places outside of the law//

Outside the law? Yeah... no. These aren't foreign embassies we're talking about here, NNS. They'll still be covered by the laws of whatever jurisdiction they happen to be in; there'll still be police attending music festivals, close at hand if anything untoward should occur. What I suspect will happen, if pill testing gets the green light, is that there will be a limited and situation specific decriminalisation of possession - note possession, not trafficking, so if you rock up with a big bag of pills you'll still get nicked - in and around pill testing stations. Either as a formal act of Parliament or just at police discretion. And that's it. Because there is no need to chuck the baby out with the bathwater and abrogate the entire statute book just to make pill testing feasible.

//In my opinion that removes the argument of "if" it will end horribly.//

I have zero faith in your psychic abilities, NNS, for what I would hope are self-apparent reasons.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 13 January 2019 7:17:41 AM
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