I support the Racist Australians position in standing up to ethnic minority criminals taking over our country over the position of multiculturalism and political correctness.

Whilst I don't identify as a white supremacist or Nazi sympathizer and frown upon that aspect, I do support the position of Australians who wish to stand against globalism and political correctness and foreigners who disrespect our country and way of life.

This is our country, it does not belong to the United Nations.
They don't have the right to decide who comes here, our national and international policies or how we should or should not live.

My question for today is in regards to 'Privacy in a Public Space'.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-29/st-kilda-clash-far-right-activists-target-young-men/10673088

- Should Police be allowed to force someone to leave a public space simply for filming on their mobile phone?

- Is this a restriction upon citizens rights of free movement as well as freedom of the press, if a person wished to report on a situation in the community?

- Should there ever be any right to privacy in a public space?

- If CCTV cameras do not seek our permission to film us in public, why should we personally be restricted from doing the same?

- And what happens if a crime occurs when people are not allowed to film and the criminal gets away with it?

And finally why do news organisations focus on the 'white-racist pro-multicultural' narrative?
They could of just as easily written a story which included an interview from the people who were robbed or the man who had a bottle smashed over his head by the foreign youths at nearby Chelsea beach?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-28/melbourne-chelsea-beach-robbery-attack-group-of-youth/10671364

What 'racists'? Standing up against spoilt minorities is not racist.

So what did you do when an ethnic minority (Italians) took over organised crime in Australia in the 1950s?

If you must be racist please do not let lies rule your thoughts
Yes Somali your are over represented in Victorian crime
TEN TIMES more crime than other ethnic minority's, but still factions of a percent
NO crowd of 50 or a hundred are not terrorizing people
Low IQ seems a requirement if you want to be a Nazi racist

Belly Quote "Yes Somali your are over represented in Victorian crime
TEN TIMES more crime than other ethnic minority's, but still factions of a percent
NO crowd of 50 or a hundred are not terrorizing people"

** You have done it now, Foxy will come out with one of her links. **

«Should there ever be any right to privacy in a public space?»

This in principle is optional, so the public may decide whether they want it or not.

But...

The problem is that the concept of "public space" has expanded beyond recognition: even the desert and wild nature are now considered "public space" and you cannot transfer your body from private point 'A' to private point 'B' without passing it through "public space".

This needs to be fixed.

A beach where facilities were developed using public funds and which the masses routinely frequent, is legitimately a public space - but another beach that remains undeveloped where its pristine beauty is seldom frequented by people, should not be counted as "public".

The streets of a busy city are legitimately public, but outback paths are not.

Yes, it is difficult to draw the line exactly, but somewhere there is a line and public regulations should not cross it.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-lashes-repeat-offender-fraser-anning-over-neo-nazi-rally-20190107-p50q09.html
I remain happy those who are in favor of that right wing group are very much in the minority
However while seeing the true numbers are few want to highlight those silly young men of Somali extraction need a kick in the pants
If for nothing else doing great damage to their own people.
Make no mistake, well aware of the dreadful conditions in the land they or their parents came from
But deport those who continue to offend and stop letting them harm other Somalis

AC: I support … should not live.

I agree whole heartedly.

Doug: So what did you do when an ethnic minority (Italians) took over organised crime in Australia in the 1950s?

Two wrongs don't make a right. So, Doug, because the Mafia infiltrated Australia in the 50's you think we should allow the North Africans & the moslems free reign? Do you? Obvious Deflection Belly. Won't work.

Belly: NO crowd of 50 or a hundred are not terrorizing people

Eer… Yes they are. Where the bloody hell have you been?

Belkly:Low IQ seems a requirement if you want to be a Nazi racist.

Statistically the Africans have an IQ of around 65 so I seen on IQ Charts that are easily available in the Net. I think you have that all A about Face. I have an IQ average of 134, so do most of the others who support the removal of moslems & criminals from Australia. Mind you the extreme Right, like the Nazi's are not supported by most ordinary Right type people. Please don't include us in your Racist Anti-White Comments.

PS: ** You have done it now, Foxy will come out with one of her links. **

I was just thinking the very same thing.

Belly: Make no mistake, well aware of the dreadful conditions in the land they or their parents came from
But deport those who continue to offend and stop letting them harm other Somalis

That is not our fault or our responsibility. We saved the children & now it's those very children that are throwing excreta at Australia.

I hope you all had a Merry Christmas & will have a Happy New Year.

yep it says everything about the media when they deny, misreport and refuse to acknowledge the many vicitms of African crime and then use their front pages everywhere to slam an Independent pollie. Pathetic really! No wonder Trump treats these fake news outlets with contempt.

It's fairly easy to see how intelligent someone is- just cut and paste the text into MS Word and check the grade level of the writing. But use of "ad hominem" is a giveaway.

Hi Doug,
I don't believe anyone's responsible for things that happened before they were born, and I wasn't born until the early 70's.
I'm not aware of all the facts regarding what happened with organised crime in the 50's, but if you want to post some links I'd be happy to have a read up in it.

Hey Belly,
Well, what the bigger picture?
My guess is it wouldn't matter if Jesus and the 12 apostles, Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Florence Nightingale and any other symbol of goodness and decency came down from the heavens and questioned or criticised the actions of some Muslims and or African youths, then they'd all be called rascist too.
I'm kind of getting over it all, I think it's getting ridiculous honestly, and it just shows that we need to look deeper at all these PC issues and agenda's.

Now the reason I decided to post this topic, was because I watched a recent Tommy Robinson video, and there's this 'thing' I just keep seeing over and over again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8S7FJUY0qU&bpctr=1546862109

That 'thing' is the behaviour of Police and the seeming intergovernmental UN agreed response that if you go near them or film them (Muslims or African minorities) or speak out badly in any way; even if it's true, then you're the one who is inciting hatred and will be charged for doing so; you'll be the one who has your movements restricted, and be restricted to fly out of the country.

This is where it starts, this is what empowers the minorities and destroys Western countries.

Ultimately it all comes down to media reporting.
Why isn't there an interview with the people who were robbed or had a glass bottle smashed over their head?
Are these stories not just as newsworthy as the apologist news stories?"

No wonder many are looking for alternative sources of news information than the MSM.

I think we're all being taken for a ride honestly.
There's one part of all this foul social experiment that doesn't add up.

On the one hand they say everything's about climate change;
And the answer to climate change is global taxes and population reduction.

Now why then if the aim is population reduction, why do they send us Muslim and African breeders?
- Don't you see the two agendas don't fit -

The facts are this - immigration is justified as necessary to manage the economy and service the national debt'.
But Western countries with 'European / Caucasion' populations have actually have been suffering lowering birth rates.
The question is this, if Western countries with 'European / Caucasion' populations actually have been suffering lowering birth rates; and if the problem with Climate Change requres population reduction, then why are they sending us Muslims and Africans breeders for 'growth' if Climate Change agenda requires population management.

- You see, it just doesn't add up -

Dear Critic,

«I don't believe anyone's responsible for things that happened before they were born»

This is a very interesting metaphysical question, perhaps we should address it one day.

Meanwhile, regardless of the conclusion, you already declared your position in the negative.

The problem is that responsibilities and privileges are two sides of the same coin.
If you are not responsible for your ancestors' crimes then what entitles you to their achievements and conquests?

Have you been spending time with Confucius Yuyutsu?

"The problem is that responsibilities and privileges are two sides of the same coin.
If you are not responsible for your ancestors' crimes then what entitles you to their achievements and conquests?"

That's deep; but the logic seems valid, and it puts a different spin on things.
- Thanks for expanding my mind -

In the matter of my ancestors, which are we talking about?
The Scottish, The German, The Irish, or the Indigenous...
- And probably a few more I don't know about as well -

Racist - Not really, but they'll call me that anyway.
I just support Australia, Australians and our traditional way of life over the toxic and cancerous PC religion and global agendas.

Canem Malum Quote "It's fairly easy to see how intelligent someone is- just cut and paste the text into MS Word and check the grade level of the writing."

That can be fooled.
A well educated person can easily write at a much lower level.

But for a less educated person to write at a higher level is much harder, you can usually tell by looking at a few posts.

Also someone with early onset of dementia can be all over the place at times.

You also have to make sure you are evaluating their words not copied texts.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fake-facts-and-normalising-extremists-why-it-was-right-to-jump-all-over-fraser-anning-20190107-p50q1q.html
It is a relief to know thoughts expressed here are far from mainstream
Too to know a small minority has let facts and actual numbers be ignored in a rush to find the sky is falling
Highly recommend the the link
It is closer to reality than much said here

I saw the slur about Foxy, well we all should be aware she, unlike most of us, is nearer most Australians on such issues
YES I did highlight as 0.1 percent of the population, what I WRONGLY named Somalis
In fact South Sudanese, commit 1 percent of the crimes and are over represented
A failure of the true left has always been defending the indefensible
Surely these youths harm their own community
And as in all things, a center path is needed
A commitment to this country and their own community would be good
But rampart blind racism is not the answer
And some, on both sides, practice just that

Philip S- You're mostly right I'm sure. It was an amusing thought. Thanks for your feedback.

Belly-

Interesting article but the thing the journalist missed was that the the "far left communist" anti-protestors / troublemakers also represent the normalisation of certain politics and have been doing it for much longer than the "so called right". Namely that of normalising gay, multicultural, as well as "child sexual diversity" politics- the overall term that is used to define these policies and people is Social Liberalism / Social Progressivism.

The far left elements of the anti-protest have significant links with Maxist Leninist- Trotsky (who later invented his own version of Communism) and their policy of subversion of the population. Trotsky had close links with Stalinism and the resultant massive damage to man's spirit through tyranny, torture and death.

Trotsky in turn significantly influenced the founder of the "new left" Marcuse.

Conservatism seems to be the only roadblock on this "road to madness".

Yes perhaps some individuals on the "so called right" are sometimes a little silly- but I suspect they would overwhelmingly hold a dim view of those sexually abusing children and would act to prevent it.

The African problem in Melbourne is part of the Trotsky strategy of Permanent Revolution where the community and community institutions are continuously attacked until society breaks down.

The fact is something needs to be done about African Violence- the "far left" is preventing action. Responsibility over Freedom- the African Gangs can't be allowed to have the freedom to assault and threaten other members of the community. We need to take responsibility and stop the violence. This is an example of "Liberalism gone mad".

To paraphrase Zoro "When the institutions are unjust- heros must stand against the institutions."

Dear Belly,

Here's an interesting link that explains the rise of
the far-right in this country - and the reasons why
a small minority of Australians - are again being
manipulated by fear. Australia is not like the UK
or Europe. Anyway, it's worth a read:

http://www.abc.net.au/triplj/programs/hack/the-rise-of-the-far-right/7858282

cont'd ...

Dear Belly,

Again, sorry for the typo.

Here's the link again:

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/the-rise-of-the-far-right/7858282

In response to Foxy's article- This seems to be a fairly balanced article for the ABC.

The protestors could be loosely defined as nationalist.
The "anti-protestors" could be loosely defined as communist or far left.

Some interesting points raised in the article...

-As is said in the article the police sprayed capsican on "the far left anti-protestors".

- Thomas Sewell was attacked by the far left "approached a group of protesters, not knowing they weren’t on his “side”. They told me to ‘go f myself, Nazi’.”"

- “They (the protestors) claim that the ‘real’ people in countries—the honest, hardworking silent majority of citizens—are not represented.”

---

I am suspicious of this comment...

- Duncan McDonnell, from the School of Government and International Relations at Griffith University says "This is really the politics of feeling and fear, rather than the politics of fact."

The far left have been know to discredit those with certain views by doxing- those that have been doxed may find it impossible to obtain employment in certain industries. So it seems that this is one example of how the far left use fear.

McDonnell's comment disregards the real concern that normal people have about immigration, political parties, media elites, banks, and cultural elites at Universities. Normal people strongly suspect these elites have betrayed them and are seeking leadership on this issue.

Academics like McDonnell have a vested interest in the 6% of Australian productivity inherent in the education industry (of the order of AU$100B) which serves as a vehicle for immigration.

This fear is not coming from the nationalists- the nationalists are just voicing the concerns of the normal people

I note Kerryn Phelps identifies herself with the extremist left, who do nothing other than seek to confront with violence and drown out rallies of concerned citizens.

Like Belly she associates with criminal views.

Warwick McFadyen writes in The Age,
29th July 2018:

"There's something rotten in the state of this country's
politics when fear is the driver of word and deed.

Throw fear into a person's mind and it takes root and
spreads until it sublimates reason. It clouds judgement.
It can direct a person's behaviour towards an outcome
that promises the removal of that fear.
To increase fear's potency, magnify the threat. Do not
talk softly, use megaphones, and repeat the message:
fear lives in Melbourne.

Some Sudanese young people have been causing trouble.
They have been smashing up short-term rentals, being
engaged in carjacking, home invasions and the vicious
robbery of jewellery stores. This is not mere shoplifting.
Victims are being left traumatised.

However, Sudanese make up 0.1 per cent of the state's
population (6,000 people). Figures from the Crime
Statistics Agency show that Sudanese young people are
over represented in some areas of crime, but the numbers
are very small. The top 5 offenders are - Australian
(overwhelmingly so), New Zealand, Vietnamese and then
Sudanese.

Their criminal actions are amplified beyond the scope
of crime. Fear one, fear all.

They're different aren't they? It's a despicable
association of word and guilt association - African,
foreigners, tribes, gangs. Thus an entire community becomes
the target for the broadbrush of demonisation. And from
demonisation you create fear of all. And, in the most
disturbing aspect, from that fear comes control.

It is in these conditions that it's seen as quite acceptable
and justifiable to try to win office by tossing fear and
terror into homes where no fear used to exist. Eat out?
Perhaps we'll stay in tonight. It allows, for instance,
the Liberal Party to distribute leaflets of hooded men
saying: "A Liberal government will give police the power and
support they need to break up gangs and stop them hunting in
packs."

What is the imagery there but of wild animals, red of tooth,
thirsty for more prey? The innocent white folk. What is the
intention? Clearly if you do not vote for us, the packs will
keep hunting.

cont'd...

cont'd ...

"GetUp! human rights director Shen Narayanasamy says it
was "designed to dehumanise African Australians and
other migrant groups."

Edward O'Donohue, shadow minister for community safety
says, "What we are concerned about is gang violence and
gang behaviour by anyone, no matter where they're from
or their background."

Enter Peter Dutton. Sudanese teenager Laa Chol was found
dead on a Saturday morning in the Melbourne CBD. On
the Sunday Dutton issued a statement Chol's death was
"a tragic and needless loss of a young life."

But then, Dutton added that, "There is a major law and
order problem in Victoria and more people are going to
be hurt until the rule of law is enforced by the
Victorian government."

Why comment at all if not for political gain?

Dutton allowed the balm of a reasonable thought to
massage the message. "Don't allow the bad actions of a
small portion of the population wrongly define the vast
majority of the Sudanese community, who are law-abiding
and hard working."

Which is true. But it's no more than an off-ramp from
the highway along which fear-fuelled politics is driven
in a stream of comments and statements all heading for
the one destination - the polling booth.

It's only going to get worse prior to the next election.

//Yes perhaps some individuals on the "so called right" are sometimes a little silly- but I suspect they would overwhelmingly hold a dim view of those sexually abusing children and would act to prevent it.//

Yeah, so would those on the "so called left". Everybody takes an overwhelmingly dim view of rock spiders except for NAMBLA, you naughty puppy. At some point in life, on the road to maturity, one has to accept the simple and self-apparent fact that the other side of political fence are, for the most part, not suffering from any serious mental illness or personality disorder. They're just regular people... that you disagree with. Possibly because they're idiots, or dicks, or you just don't like the cut of their jib... but not actual monsters who should be locked away.

You get that, right? Please tell me you get that much, at least.

//This fear is not coming from the nationalists- the nationalists are just voicing the concerns of the normal people.//

Ha!

F*&k off mate, we've all read your posts. The empirical data is there for all to see: you wouldn't know what a normal person was if one bit you on your nethers.

Foxy - Your article is biased and does not touch on the none criminal Sudanese and what they are doing to address the problem.

I would say without a doubt the parents and others know who the trouble makers are but do nothing.

Toni Lavis- I'd love to see your review of the data. Thanks for your feedback.

Foxy- There are those that seek to dehumanize the west.

Be prepare for a meltdown tantrum when certain people read this.

Channel 9 poll backfires with Anning support at 77 per cent. ( Foxy remember on previous threads you implied the polls are a true representation of the peoples opinion and are to be taken as fact

Anning’s call for a referendum on immigration sends PM’s office into lockdown. Incredibly upset public support Anning on Channel 9 poll by 77 per cent

Senator Fraser Anning’s office and his Facebook pages have been overloaded by tens of thousands of supporters while Liberal sources say the Prime Minister’s office has gone into meltdown over abusive calls.

Moved above to this thread, put here by mistake.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8592&page=11

I guess that those on the left (social freedom) see many things conservative (social conservative/ economic conservative) as a Nazi conspiracy. The small L liberals (free market advocats) need the conservatives within their party to make the numbers. Hopefully the conservatives can soften some of the extremes of small L liberals.

Toni Lavis said- "At some point in life, on the road to maturity, one has to accept the simple and self-apparent fact that the other side of political fence are, for the most part, not suffering from any serious mental illness or personality disorder. They're just regular people... that you disagree with. Possibly because they're idiots, or dicks, or you just don't like the cut of their jib... but not actual monsters who should be locked away."

Answer- Generally I agree with this comment.

On the left there are the "feel good people/ do gooders" that are often mislead- they just want to do the right thing. The thing is doing the right thing is a difficult journey- and not well defined.

Most people see problems in the world- where the difficulty arises is how to solve it. This is where ideology arises. There is a subtle difference between ideology and philosophy.

Then there are the dangerous far left radical/ Trotskyites/ New Left/ Radical Progressives/ Communists- that understand what they do and how it affects society- but they just don't care about the average person. These dangerous communists believe that millions of dead are a necessary sacrifice to achieve utopia. Such people could actually be "monsters".

Strangely I've seen Communists use polymorphic tactics of different movements- such as guilt (used by the church). Even if I can't respect their aims I have to respect their sophistication.

I once met a heroin addict who said that there are functional and non-functional addicts. Liberalists are perhaps the functional friends of the Communist. You could argue that everyone is addicted to some ideology- some subtlety is perhaps required here.

Foxy/Paul please cut me some slack here, I remain convinced racism is always evil
And too just as convinced it exists on both sides of this debate
Some by association, heap some of that blind hate on us, the three of us, because we defend most of the targeted people
We too know
Know for sure, only a very few, from the race/faith under attack, are in any way a problem
Include that statement for those we call racists
BUT here is when I get controversial
The few, on both sides, damage the many, on their side and the other
I have never understood why multi culture replaced integration
So in an effort to take the hate out of our country
Why can we not while keeping multi cultures ask that both sides openly admit the very real damage such as the few, in this case be honest, few South Sudanese youths, are [as every race has] damaging the whole

//Then there are the dangerous far left radical/ Trotskyites/ New Left/ Radical Progressives/ Communists//

Jesus, still banging on about reds under the bed in 2019? It's times like this I wish OLO let one do the eye rolling emoji.

To paraphrase Nietzsche, Marx is dead. The Socialist Equality Party contend election after election; they've yet to win a single seat. Empirically, there is sweet FA support for communism among the voting public.

But hey, why let empirical data stand in the way of a half-baked theory? Yes, Canem Malum, there is a Santa Claus. And he wears red...

I wonder if some of the apologists could explain why those who stand up to criminal racists are called racists by the apologists ?

//I wonder if some of the apologists could explain why those who stand up to criminal racists are called racists by the apologists ?//

Because their reasoning is flawed. Just because one thinks Blair Cottrell is massive knob, it doesn't follow that one thinks all white people are knobs.

Toni Lavis,
I have met more non-cucasian racists than caucasian. I reall one incident many moons ago when in a very crowded bar in Brisbane someone accidentally pushed against a band member of the Drifters. This bloke turned to me & snarled "watch it, white $hit".
Living in indigenous communities for most of my life i could rattle off some really bad incidents of racism from both sides.

Toni Lavis said "still banging on about reds under the bed in 2019? It's times like this I wish OLO let one do the eye rolling emoji." "paraphrase Nietzsche, Marx is dead."

Answer-

The following links are interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Equality_Party_(Australia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Australia)

This guy Stephen Jolly based in Melbourne seems to be involved in a lot of things including the infamous "Militant" of the Irish Labour Party. He even has his own wiki link.

It appears "The Militant" even appeared in Australia within the Australian Labor Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jolly_(politician)

According to the link Stephen Jolly was a participant in the "S11 anti-globalisation protests in Melbourne" where marbles were rolled under the police horses feet.

(Strangely many conservatives and nationalists are also against globalisation- but wouldn't agree with the far left- or their tactics)

"In February 2018, Jolly announced that he will be contesting a seat in the Senate in the 2018 Victorian state elections... campaign was also endorsed by several public figures such as Noam Chomsky, Gary Foley, and Tariq Ali." Fascinating how Jolly has gotten these endorsements.

Jolly is only one of the influencial people within the far left in Australia- there are others in politics in the unions and in the departments.

The UK/ Ireland appear (from my brief investigation) to be quite influencial over the far left in Australia.

I believe that Toni Lavis is also from Irish stock... not that it means anything.

The link Socialism in Australia- lists many Trotskyist groups.

I suspect some of these groups are linked with the "far left anti-protestors" that appeared at Melbournes St Kilda rally.

At risk of sounding conspiratorial- following the threads of the far left is an interesting exercise- you start to see patterns of people and narrative- not that it always means anything. Sometimes down the track I see something new and everything seems to make sense- you see the Australian political landscape in a whole new way- often the far left have covered much more ground than I had thought possible.

The far left appear to be very well connected- they must work very hard with networking

I am so pleased with all the responses thus far to "The
Age" article that I gave. That's what makes this
forum so interesting. Of course the reactions are
understandable. We're all different, with different
concerns about the issues involved.

Please keep on expressing your concerns - they are
educational and well worth reading.

Foxy: Please keep on expressing your concerns - they are educational and well worth reading.

With some notable exceptions, Pray tell? Mine.

Yesterday in the SMH a story about a young WASP offender appeared
He told arresting police, some thing like this *come back and see me in a few hours*
*I will get bail, I always get bail*
He did not
And I cheered, he is part of the problem, our law and order is too,
By being soft on offenders, any color any race any faith
It breeds the hate we see here, convinces some they/them ,can get away with any thing
Do not be blind to crime,do not defend the few
it feeds hate to not see wrong on both sides

Based on a brief search of "jolly at st kilda rally" I got the following interesting links. It could be fake news but appears informative of the players in the far left.

http://sheikyermami.com/2019/01/st-kilda-rally-guess-how-many-journalists-mentioned-any-of-this/

http://www.xyz.net.au/cllr-stephen-jolly-new-socialist-alliance/

http://tetrasys.fi:10443/in/nyt/1096~151~1297741/

Other mentioned individual members and groups of the far left

- Sue Munro, a woman with years of membership in fringe left wing extremist groups.

- Anthony Main

- Debbie Brennan- Leader- the feminist-Marxist group the “Freedom Socialist Party”

- Anthony Kelly- the Flemington and Kensington Legal Centre chief executive. Kelly and his group are notorious for having spent the last fifteen years suing Victoria police on behalf of African “youths”

- David Hollis- a man who in the early nineties went on a violent deranged stabbing spree wounding six and killing one

- “Campaign against Racism and Fascism” group (or CARF)- originally founded by Australia’s largest and most violent Marxist group the Socialist Alternative (SAlt)

- Kieran Bennett’s Anarchist “Platformist” group Collective action, have since been forced out by the SAlt.

... and so on ... a wealth of research opportunities on the far left

Hi Foxy,
You linked to an ABC article but its not there anymore.
Maybe the article was removed, I'm not sure whether you linked to the Age article here or on the other thread.

- Sorry Foxy I see you posted a second link.
Interesting article with some info on the origins of groups on the right, but somewhat outdated.

All that needs to happen now is people start putting on yellow vests...

Armchair Critic,

The ABC links are on page 4 of this discussion.
And, The Age article by Warwick McFadyen is on
page 5 of this discussion. I hope this helps.

I also did a brief search, inspired by Canem Malum's
link on the players of the far Left. It's equally
interesting and provides information on the players
of the far Right.

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/st-kilda-rally-exposes-lies-used-to-drum-up-support/news-story/01e6211734fe00f92eff666fbdef5d7a

The best report in photographs are SMH at:
www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fraser-anning-to-bill-taxpayers-more-than-2800-for-flights-to-st-ki

You will notice the police facing the anti-racists and dark skin person doing the Nationalist Socialist salute, Hail Hitler!. The person in front laughing which indicates he is mocking the persons at the Rally.

Hey Foxy,
Oh yeah I see now, I was looking for a link.
- Many Thanks -

Ok, so you want some feedback.

Firstly, I'm not against all immigrants.
I don't deny that people from many foreign places have come to call Australia home, and mostly they've contributed to making the country a better place.

Your article... well it sux.
It's apologist bs, and I'll tell you why.

It's starts out great and acknowledges the issues;
But then what bigger picture view of the issues does it give us and what solutions does it propose?
None. If you real closely what it proposes as a solution is this:
'TURN THE OTHER WAY'

Maybe you didn't spot the part where it was telling you that but it do so with it's undertones.

It recognised the issue of "...smashing up short-term rentals, being
engaged in carjacking, home invasions and the vicious
robbery of jewellery stores. This is not mere shoplifting.";

But then it changed.
It told you it was a 'minor statistic'

Then they do the 'switcheroo';
For a second - they even go against the PC narrative to admit they're different;
But ONLY so they can portray THEM as the victims.

"They're different aren't they? It's a despicable
association of word and guilt association - African,
foreigners, tribes, gangs. Thus an entire community becomes
the target for the broadbrush of demonisation. And from
demonisation you create fear of all."

You see?
Now they're the victims.
Read on -

"And, in the most disturbing aspect, from that fear comes control.

It is in these conditions that it's seen as quite acceptable
and justifiable to try to win office by tossing fear and
terror into homes where no fear used to exist. Eat out?
Perhaps we'll stay in tonight."

Now they took another step.
- Look Closely -

EMPHASIS "...quite acceptable and justifiable to try to win office by tossing fear and terror into homes where no fear used to exist"

[Cont.]
Now WE'RE THE PERPETRATORS, because THEY'VE already established their victimhood previously:
"Thus an entire community becomes
the target for the broadbrush of demonisation."

"A Liberal government will give police the power and
support they need to break up gangs and stop them hunting in
packs."

What is the imagery there but of wild animals, red of tooth,
thirsty for more prey? The innocent white folk. What is the
intention? Clearly if you do not vote for us, the packs will
keep hunting."

They spoke about spreading fear, but who's really spreading it?
- THEY ARE -

Now they again reinforce the victimhood issue:
GetUp! human rights director Shen Narayanasamy says it was "designed to dehumanise African Australians and other migrant groups."

They are doing a Jedi mind trick.
They are manipulating you:
Remember this stuff -
"...smashing up short-term rentals, being
engaged in carjacking, home invasions and the vicious
robbery of jewellery stores. This is not mere shoplifting."

Didn't happen or doesn't matter;
Because they made you think they're the victims.
They're just playing with your mind.

- It's not news, it's a psychological operation so that you'll ignore the facts -

Suddenly we're all the same again:
"What we are concerned about is gang violence and gang behaviour by anyone, no matter where they're from or their background."

And they try to tell you what Peter Dutton meant by what he said, although what they're saying he meant - I'm not exactly sure that's what he was actually saying.

The whole article is apologist bs;
But there you go - that's my opinion.

I'm going to add more to this comment, only a little later today or tonight.
I want to provide you with VALID reasons why I support the sides I do.
Not based on hate or racism, but based purely on merit regarding the direction of our country.

Armchair Critic,

I apologise for giving the link.

I can see that it has upset you greatly.

That was not my intention.

Hey Foxy,
No of course not, it hasn't upset me in any way;
I enjoyed dismantling it piece by piece.
If we had emoticons I'd give a smiley face :)
I'm looking forward to responding more a little later.

AC,

I'm glad that I didn't upset you.

I look forward to reading more from you.

//The following links are interesting...//

They sure are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Equality_Party_(Australia)#Popular_support_and_electoral_results

Seriously, CM? 0.01% of the vote in the House of Reps and 0.06% in the Senate, with a steady decline in their absolute vote? And this is what has you all anxious and up in arms? Tilting at windmills...

Tony Lavis take the S out of your link on posting it, worked for me and remain grateful for the helpers
Sorry grumpy old man that I am I can not bring myself to agree with some thing like this threads intent
ALWAYS racism is wrong, always damages both sides
We are better than that.
Reality has a roll to play

Any country who's population is not racist will not long be a country.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it in spades.

Hasbeen You are playing into there game.

Loving ones own country does not = being racist.

If you equate it as as being racist they are winning.

'Hasbeen You are playing into there game.

Loving ones own country does not = being racist.'

surely you have learn't Phillip that you can't reason with bigots. Just look at the dishonest swamp who reported on the rally. I would be real afraid of I had the endorsement of the media swamp and marxist bigots. I would prefer to wear their childish little tags rather than live a lie.

Hasbeen- Any country who's population is not racist will not long be a country.

Answer- Well put Hasbeen.

That's why liberalism is so dangerous to culture.

Liberalism includes those on both the so called left (Labor Party) and the right (small L liberals).

The answer is conservatism.

Does anyone know what the final result of the Channel 9 Gold Coast Fraser Anning Poll was? Last I saw was 83% for "No." That was at 35K of 47k counted.

Toni Lavis- I thought about your comment. I don't agree as I believe the communists are still influencial despite their votes- their policies are still adopted by the Labor state governments, within the departments, in the media (especially the ABC). That's why I believe the decline of the far left Green's and others are not problematic to the aims of the movement.

I wish I could give you a better researched answer but that is the best I have for now.

//Any country who's population is not racist will not long be a country.//

Ya reckon? Because people used to be very racist towards the Irish, but then they stopped.... and continued to be countries for years afterwards, right up to the present day in fact. I call BS.

//The answer is conservatism.//

OK, but how far back should we wind the racism clock? Just back far enough to make it acceptable to put a 'No Blacks, No Dogs' sign in your window, or far enough back that you can go the whole hog and make it 'No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs'?

Because if it's not OK to be racist towards the Irish just because they share the same skin tone as civilised folk like Swedes and Russians even though the Irish are all drunken degenerates, well then I'm sorry, but it's no kind of proper racism at all... so why bother with it? If something is worth doing, it's worth doing properly.

Jayb- See link

http://caldronpool.com/nine-news-poll-against-senator-fraser-anning-backfires-big-time/

Channel Nine will need to consider its options. Nine is in a difficult position- it could affect its advertisers- for them it comes down to money- I suspect they'll avoid reporting the figures- or only give a very brief report.

But at least the commercial stations are less biased than the ABC.

We should give them the benefit of doubt as to their motivation.

Toni Lavis- You could even go back to the Scots and the Welsh- but that doesn't mean that culture is irrelevent as you seem to be implying.

//their policies are still adopted by the Labor state governments, within the departments, in the media (especially the ABC).//

Oh yes? Do you have any specific examples, or am I just meant to take that on faith?

I'm pretty sure that the Labor party are capable of formulating their own policies, and even more certain that adopting those of the Socialist Equality Party would be political suicide... there's a reason those clowns don't poll well. In short, I think it's a pretty far fetched claim that the Labor party are plagiarising the policies of the SEP and without any hard proof I will file it in the 'amusingly ridiculous hypotheses' section of the attic.

////but that doesn't mean that culture is irrelevent as you seem to be implying.//

What? Where did I say that?

Of course culture is important. Think about it for a minute, CM: if took six white, ginger men - a Scot, a Norwegian, a German, an Englishman, a Frenchman and an Irishman and put them in a line up and told you 'right, point out the Irishman'... how would you be able to tell except through cultural differences?

Answer - The Irishman is obviously the one swaying and drooling slightly, his eyes unfocused and bleary and his shirt stained black from Guiness vomit - it's easy to spot when you're familiar with the cultural nuances, but you can't tell just from crude metrics like skin tone and facial structure.

Toni Lavis- You seem to be overly focused on the Irish- look I understand you are Irish- I don't have a problem with your bias- I even feel that certain events between the Irish and the English were perhaps unfair to the Irish.

I think that perhaps we should aim to create a world where all cultures feel safe within their own nations. Where one culture can't feed off others. This isn't a Liberalist solution. And there is always the problem of a culture creating harm to themselves by bad decisions.

//look I understand you are Irish//

I'm not. I'm a citizen of Australia and I don't hold dual citizenship. I just have a lot of Irish ancestry.

It looks to me that many oponents of racism don't have a clue what racism actually is.
Objecting to a criminal who happens to be of another race is not racism ! Objecting to someone of another race taking advantage of what some stupid people offer them is not racism !
Racism is hating/strongly disliking someone for simply being of another race. Indoctrinating children that another race is no good is racism. I witnessed that a lot in my years.
Hating/disliking someone because they're of a different culture or religion is stupidity.
Teaching stupidity is criminal but it pays well & offers great Superannuation packages in western countries.

//Objecting to a criminal who happens to be of another race is not racism !//

Quite right. But objecting to people who've lead blameless lives because they're the same colour as some criminals is definitely racism.

Indi: disliking someone because they're of a different culture or religion is stupidity.

It Depends on if they arrive in the Country uninvited then demand that you change your culture to suit them, as your culture offends their culture.

Some of the uninvited will kill you & the rest of the uninvited will silently support them until the time is right, if you don't comply with their Cultural demands. Ay.

CM: Jayb- See link

Yes I've seen that link. What I would like is the final result. Has anyone got that, Foxy?

'It looks to me that many oponents of racism don't have a clue what racism actually is.'

Of course Individual. Marxist/feminist are not even interested in true racism. I am sure you have worked that out by now.

If terrorists and miscreants walked around with some kind of visible tag, we would not have a problem.
But because we don't know the baddies from the goodies,it is prudent to see ALL those of a particular race or creed as a threat, until the threat has been completely eliminated.
Until then we are living in fear, of our lives.
The net result of this is of course racism, as we begin to accuse everyone of that race or creed of being a possible threat.
We are justified in putting a blanket rejection of ALL Muslims.
The reasons are now too many and too compelling to be ignored.
I draw the line.
We are seeing, daily, the arrogance of the leaders of this cult advocating dissent and disobedience to our laws and institutions suggesting that they follow Gods law, and that our laws do not apply to them.
Well, I don't know about you guys but I've heard and had enough.
Talking has got us no-where with this cult, I believe my tactics are called for now, because we have been bullied, pushed around, attacked and even killed en masse.
All sanctioned by their head priests.
A quick story, if I get some of it wrong please correct me.
Many years ago, I think it was the British, were fighting the Muslims, and getting caned, or getting no-where.
A change of General as he was known to be controversial, but got things done.
As it was in those days, they did not fight at night, so he ordered some men to cross over to the enemies side and capture/bring back about a dozen Muslims.
That day, he had them dig a hole for each of them.
Then lined them up over each hole and shot each one then proceeded to pour pigs blood over the top of them followed by the pig itself.
He spared one and sent him back with the message, that if they did not cease and retreat, this is what will happen to each Muslim they catch or kill.
They were gone the next morning.

Gentlemen,

After reading this ALTRAV's post - do any of you still wonder
why Dr Anne Aly wanted the 18C Race Discrimination Act to
include religion?

Altrav: They were gone the next morning.

Well it worked. Any strategy that keep you from being killed in a battle is a good strategy.

Foxy here are a few more of your friends who were at that Rally supporting of all things "ANTIFA";

Greens MP Tim Read,
Greens Victoria's Leader Samantha Ratnam
& Greens Activist Steph Hodgins-May.

No outcry about people supporting evil Groups like those. Ay. Why is that? I wonder how much they claimed as Travel expenses?

why Dr Anne Aly wanted the 18C Race Discrimination Act to
include religion?
Foxy,
Why ? what's wrong with ALTRAV's recounting of an actual incident ? It highlights the need to keep religion out of the Act.
When it is an excuse to cause mayhem, religion can no longer be accepted as Faith.

Foxy, You have finally lost it.
Sorry my love, but had you at least abstained from responding, no one would have given you a second thought.
But you could not leave well enough alone.
I'm sorry, but have you not heard the saying,'better to be thought of a fool, than to open your mouth and have it confirmed'.
Now that you have seen fit to demonstrate your lack of maturity and judgement, I have to ask.
How have I incurred your wrath this time, if I have recanted a historical fact, relevant to the topic in question?
Foxy, just accept that you are a good person who will NOT acknowledge anything bad or that makes you uncomfortable.
You see this is why PC is only good for the WC.
If you are offended or incensed or whatever it is you are, then please understand, once and for all, the problem is within you and not the rest of the world.
How did you handle being a librarian, if you find so many things offensive, egregious, vial, disgusting or just plain un-acceptable?
Did you start reading something and when you came across something you did not like or agree with, what happened, did you put that book back?
I'm sorry my dear but I have been trying to tell you, whether you like it or not I and the others on OLO, you find so repulsive and abhorrent, are the real world.
Honestly I'm sorry but for your sake and sanity, I sincerely hope you can find a compromise somewhere in your physique or mindset to be more open to the real world, such as it is.
Love Al.

Foxy stay the way you are please
The art of the lie, terminological in exactitude?
Or are we seeing the results of others miss use of truth ,its spreading and changing like a virus
Yes SOME from every race every faith are, well obnoxious
Not letting any one of that hook
Could we ever become the White Anglo Saxon race some seem to want
Should we want that
In a world that may well benefit , after much growing pain, from being one humanity
Must we fight shadows

Must we fight shadows
Belly,
Why not ask victims what they think of your "shadows" ?

Foxy mentioned Anne Aly... interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Aly

CM: Re your link.

<In 2014, Aly was a panelist on Islam and terrorism at an Australian Coalition meeting. In 2015, Aly announced that her organization, People Against Violent Extremism had raised $40,800 for a mentoring program for young activists. The mentoring program includes training through MyHack, which trains university students to brainstorm and develop counter-messaging to extremist propaganda online.>

I guess she mentors non-moslims not to be violent against moslims not the other way around. Just going on her performance in Parliament.

I mentioned Dr Anne Aly because she is against
violent extremism. Telling stories about extremists
can encourage derogatory actions from others,
and can have very undesirable affects on innocent people's
lives as the following link explains:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-23/anne-aly-and-family-receive-death-threats/8050496

When you have a society that enables people
to say and do things, to act in ways that
targets certain groups, that alienates certain
groups, it has an impact.

Dr Anne Aly is a counter-terrorism and anti-
radicalisation expert. She was not just talking
about things that might affect minority groups.
She was also talking about a radical Muslim
preacher standing up and making derogatory
remarks about Jews and Christians.

Former Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull stated
that all Australians should be opposed to
racism in any form. Dr Aly asked that the
18C Racial Discrimination Act not be watered
down and should include religion. As she pointed
out, if we give racism a tacit nod - things
could get out of hand.

Belly, WTF.
You cannot defend the indefensible.
Reason and common sense have been a part of me as far back as I can remember.
I don't get sarcasm, doesn't mean I don't try it on rare and appropriate occasions.
I am a pragmatist, so I do not sanction nor understand emotion based arguments, debates or just pain discussions.
You may shoulder and support those in Foxy's camp with similar views and aspirations as she, but they are confined to a minority such as yourselves.
You are doing yourself an injustice by not accepting that the world is full of MANY different folks and beliefs.
Each considered right in their own environment and upbringing.
It is not, therefore within the purview of someone not of the same mindset and beliefs to malign or condemn those who do not conform.
However, if the beliefs are unfounded and subjective rather than factual and objective, those people should give sway to the 'other side'.
Belly, I know there is no changing your and your groups beliefs or mindset, so I don't try.
As your arguments and agenda are emotionally driven and therefore 'subjective', mine are based on reason, pragmatism and totally devoid of emotion, in other words I push an 'objective' agenda.
It is truly sad that you guys find it necessary to attack perfect logic and reason with deflections of accusations of using foul language and hatred tags and so on.
I use whatever language I feel appropriate to the discussion in play at the time.
I care not about anyone's feelings, I'm not a mind reader, so take it or leave it, I am not expecting those unwilling to consider anothers view to even read my posts, let alone be offended by them.
BTW Belly, I must commend you on your narrative, I have to give you credit, your linguistic skills have improved such that I have taken notice.
Well done.

Foxy,

Outlawing hate speech is one thing, legislation that targets free speech because someone is "offended" is a completely different issue.

Foxy, well aly can 'ask' whatever she wants, she does not represent the religious community, and it's a disgraceful attempt at point scoring by over-reaching so far that she over balanced and fell on her face regarding her comment 'if we give racism a tacit nod-things could get out of hand'.
Maybe in 'her' mind, but would caution her to not make such 'absolute' and preposterous comments, when she has absolutely no idea of what she speaks.
So unless she knows of or intends to start something that is intended to 'get out of hand', I would strongly suggest she SHUT UP and leave well enough alone.
18C is not in at fault in any way.
Religion is religion, if someone breaks the law, whether claiming to do it in the name of God or not,18C didn't break the law, the bad guy did.
So leave religion out of it, because I guaranty you now, it will start the biggest sh!t storm in ages.
No-one likes their faith being interfered with so aly can go face herself.
Whether you or aly or anyone likes it or not, racism is and has always been around, and it's not going away because some limp dicks and dreamers want it stopped.
It is part of the human physique and emotional spectrum, the sooner those pushing against it accept that it is part of life, the sooner they can move on emotionally.

Dear Armchair Critic,

Just be honest one this one please. You support racists because you are a racist. Plain and simple, no if or buts. One can't use the term 'African breeders' and expect to be considered anything else.

Now that that is out of the way let's look at the issues.

Should someone be allowed to film in a public place? Within limits they certainly should. Would the public have a right to refer concerns about someone without children of their own sitting close constantly filming kids in a playground? Most would say yes.

If I were picnicking with my family and this tosser Erikson was to stand over us filming then I wouldn't give a rats about his rights, that camera would end up in the drink.

So the question becomes is it reasonable for the people in your original link to be upset at being filmed in the manner they were? If they had been engaged in an altercation then no. But these were apparently just playing soccer. If it is reasonable for me to be pissed off having a camera shoved in my face by a tosspot then it surely must be reasonable for others.

Erikson said later in the video he was filming the altercation between the police and the group, but it was an altercation he provoked by his trolling. That being said once a police officer is assaulted then that person needs to be dealt with immediately.

Cont..

Cont..

So to go through your questions;

- Should Police be allowed to force someone to leave a public space simply for filming on their mobile phone?

No, and that didn't happen in this instance. They were asked to move on, they didn't and the officer did not force anyone to do anything so why have you beaten this up?

- Is this a restriction upon citizens rights of free movement as well as freedom of the press, if a person wished to report on a situation in the community?

These guys are professional trolls. Far right extremists filming a friendly soccer match doesn't fit the description of a 'situation' in most people's book though I accept it might in yours.

- Should there ever be any right to privacy in a public space?

Society accepts that generally no, there isn't a right to privacy. However there is a right to be free from intimation and harassment. The police asked that Erikson put some space between he and his crew and the soccer players. Perfectly reasonable request in my book.

- If CCTV cameras do not seek our permission to film us in public, why should we personally be restricted from doing the same?

No and they weren't in this instance either.

- And what happens if a crime occurs when people are not allowed to film and the criminal gets away with it?

Don't be an idiot as well as a racist.

And finally why do news organisations focus on the 'white-racist pro-multicultural' narrative?

They don't. The media has overwhelmingly focussed on young Christian South Sudanese youth engaging in criminal and anti-social behaviour. In one of the very few instances when the focus has shifted briefly you lot of bottom feeders are here claiming victimhood.

Pathetic.

Shadow Minister,

Dr Aly was not talking about outlawing free speech.
It was hate speech that she was
referring to and the fact that if we allowed people
to say whatever they wanted to the detriment of
others then they should accept the consequences.
She was trying to prevent those consequences.
She is a counter-terrorism and anti-radicalisation
expert. She is against violent extremism. She
was merely doing her job.

Also, as you know people who enjoy the rights of
free speech have a duty to respect other people's
rights. A person's freedom of speech is limited
by the rights of others. We have laws against libel,
slander, against hate speech,
urging violence, and so on.

To SteelRedux through the chair- You are bigoted because you prejudged someone as evil and used a demonizing term (racist) without understanding their reasons for their beliefs.

They say the first casualty of war is truth. Who brought in the massive numbers of immigrants to create this conflict- the liberals on the left (Soical Liberals) and the right (Small L Liberals). They disregarded and discredited the public in their concerns and now there is war. Now anything goes.

Paraphrasing Sun Tzu- "Those that attack their own people and then live to fear them are the height of stupidity."

Another says "Teach before you preach".

Chesterton's Fence- there's a reason why people believe what they do- even if you don't understand it- or if it's not in your interest to believe it.

"Look at the log in your own eye."

Communists have a pretty big log.

Dear Canem Malum,

I think rather than talking through the chair you are talking through your bloody hat.

You claimed;

“You are bigoted because you prejudged someone as evil and used a demonizing term (racist) without understanding their reasons for their beliefs.”

Pray tell, what reason would AC have for using the term “African breeders” not once but twice in the same post?

If a person is determined to both 'demonise' and dehumanise those from Africa who choose a safer, better, more secure life in Australia then why don't you regard him as a racist?

Indeed the only possible defence you could secure for AC would be an instance where he referred to white South African immigrants as 'breeders' as well.

I wager you will find this an impossible task.

So by your definition is AC bigoted or not?

CM,

So now it's not Muslims, we have to fear -
it's communists? What about all the other
minorities - I'm sure we can dig up many
more. There's women, gay people, the Greens,
socialists, white supremacists, the elderly,
the young, uni-students, academics, the ABC,
disabled, feminists, monarchists, and many,
many, more.

As ALTRAV stated in his posts on the
article discussion of "What's wrong with our
boys," - "Australia - having excrement for people."

Way to go - right?

//now there is war.//

No there isn't. Are you always this melodramatic?

I think that it's possible to be "against bigotry" but still evil. As is China's encapsulation of Tibet. Those that "do good" for bad reasons. You could argue that China is just encouraging diversity in Tibet in the same way that multiculturalism and diversity policy operates in the west- in both cases evil is being done in the name of the good.

My objection to SteeleRedux is not on the basis of the definition of the word bigot or racist- it is on the basis of the demonizing effect to discredit the speaker. This narrative has had the effect of demonizing Australian peoples rightful self interest- this is evil.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigoted

Synonyms & Antonyms for bigoted

Synonyms

illiberal, intolerant, narrow, narrow-minded, prejudiced, small-minded

Antonyms

broad-minded, liberal, open-minded, tolerant, unprejudiced

It's interesting the dictionary gives "Liberal" as an opposite of bigoted.

It's almost as if Liberals can't be bigoted "by definition".

The trickeries of language...

Dear Canem Malum,

You write;

“My objection to SteeleRedux is not on the basis of the definition of the word bigot or racist- it is on the basis of the demonizing effect to discredit the speaker.”

Oh boy.

Okay. I didn't just flippantly call AC a racist but rather laid out my reason quite clearly. I note that it was not something you have challenged at all. He discredited himself by using the term not me. I just called him out on it.

I then took the time to answer each of his questions in turn. This is exactly the opposite of the majority of right whingers on this site who prefer to snipe offering zero substance.

Now I asked you quite a simple question for which you have yet to furnish an answer. I repeat it.

So by your definition is AC bigoted or not?

Steelredux/Tony Lavis you may not agree with what I say but you are a breath of fresh air here
The remoteness to truth some consider worthwhile, along with a bigotry so blind is, well Breath taking
Thankfully only minority thought out side this place however

Hey Steelie, Welcome back from the middle East. I see they didn't get you this time either. Oh well, maybe next time.

Talking about racism. Now you couldn't get anyone more racist than that old Camel Shagger, pedophile, Mahomed. A plague be upon him, may a million locusts be sent by allah to infest mecca & terrify it's people. ;-)

Were you at the Rally on the side of Antifa & their Maxist/Commo/Socialist friends? It looked like every second person was using their phone to video the event. Which side did you object to doing the Videoing?

Steelie: without understanding their reasons for their beliefs.”

We don't have to understand their reasons or their beliefs. They came here to get away from that but they brought it with them so they should be sent beck to whence they came. That's not racist that's protecting the good people of Australia by getting rid of the ones who abuse their privilege of living in our country.

WOW!seems a gang of youths as young as 13 is terrorizing Toowomba QLD
OK spelling wrong, fairdinkum spell check suggested Wombat! any one got one that is better
A current affair this night
Including online posts from the half wits, including gang name
4114? or 414? not sure
Suspect Mr FA to fly there by jumbo and get right in to the little sausages
OH, they are white
OK we all came out of Africa call them Africans
Or look at why our courts give bond after bond and zero respect to us the victims
Racist rant any one?

Hey everyone,
Thanks to everyone for their opinions and responses.
Sorry for the slack response on this thread over the last few days.
I've been at the local hospital a lot with an friend in palliative care who's just passed away today.
I'll be back to defend my positions, argue my logic and conduct my rants soon.

Racist rant any one?
Belly,
If they were white then they're probably the kids of Labor voting parents.

Sorry to hear about your friend AC.

AC, sorry and hope you and the family are coping.
It is always a hard time, but hang in there and chin up.

To SteeleRedux through the chair-

The word "racist" just demonizes the target without adding value to the discussion. To use this word is like so many words that are used to demonize- to me it discredits the users argument. If all you can say is "you're evil" you're probably better off saying nothing.

It seems the racist label is just designed to intimidate and terrorize people into silence.

Many people believe that the cultural values and family or genetic basis are important in the community. You can attack these people and say they are wrong and repeat the same old arguments as to why those that have these values are Nazi's but unless you're going to add something new to the discussion it's probably a waste of time.

What you could do if you really want to contribute is to tease out the reasons why people believe what they do. Anti-racism is an ideology- the problem with most ideologies is they create an absolute morality- then say all those that contradict this arbitrary moral framework are evil. It depends on the situation but this seems to be an unsophisticated methodology. Perhaps all politics is arbitrary in this way.

Paraphrasing Einstein "to solve a problem you need to go deeper than the problem itself".

The label racist seems synonymous with "ad hominem"

See link- Paul Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg

SteeleRedux- I really don't mind if you call me an idiot or a racist. You might meditate on why that would be.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/how-australia-s-far-right-were-divided-and-conquered-by-themselves-20190108-p50qcb.html
Read it, look deeply at those it talks about
Can any one build me a case that proves these misfits are the keepers of our moral base
Indy, only the letter T separates a Wit from a Twit

http://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/11/16/48/news-australia-teenage-juvenile-crime-spike-carjacking-robbery-assault
The link to my post
How very frail racists truly are, if that was not true these young idiots would be up to their necks in protesters
Mimicking the Victorian group of idiots they too are a product of a justice system unwilling to get out comes the community expects not race

//To use this word is like so many words that are used to demonize//

Words like communist, you mean? ;)

//the problem with most ideologies is they create an absolute morality- then say all those that contradict this arbitrary moral framework are evil.//

See conservatism.

TL: //To use this word is like so many words that are used to demonize// Words like communist, you mean? ;)

There is no need to demonize Communism, it demonizes it's self. Communism failed. Get used to the idea. The most terrible system ever foisted on people.

//There is no need to demonize Communism, it demonizes it's self. Communism failed. Get used to the idea. The most terrible system ever foisted on people.//

I quite agree.

Still, it doesn't stop certain people I could mention from trying to demonise anybody with whom they disagree as communists, even if the people they're trying to demonise are manifestly not communists. Go figure.

AC,

Please accept my sympathy at the loss of your
friend.

My prayers and thoughts are with you.

Eternal Rest Grant to them, O Lord
And let perpetual light shine on them
May they Rest in Peace.
Amen.

An unknown man confronts Vic police Minister regarding the St. Kilda rally. see link below.

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/caught-on-video-victoria-police-minister-blasted-in-heated-confrontation/news-story/c4d485e271b9a66c6033801ad3d9f07b

Does anyone know who this man is? He spoke quite rationally and quietly about the rally and told the Minister that he did not appreciate her calling concerned people "Nazis' because they expressed their concern.

The Minister was at a press conference about the security for the Australian Open tennis. He was moved on by the police after a few minutes.

I support the? RACISTS!
Humanity continues to prove we may be an evolutionary mistake
Finding reason to hate and ignoring how good it could be if we worked on getting along with each other
Ignoring the WASP doing the very same crimes is further showing we just love to hate

Thanks for the kind words and thoughts Canem Malum, ALTRAV and Foxy,
I'm doing alright I suppose, but his wife is fairly distraught as one would imagine and they did have younger kids 8, and 13 so it's been pretty hard on them especially over the last week, being cancer; not something one wishes to see.
But he fought a good battle, hung on longer than expected (credit to the nursing staff) and was able to enjoy one last Christmas with his family and New Years with friends.
At least he isn't suffering anymore, which is about all one can say when these things happen.

Ironic I guess that my post today with be about births;
In defense of my use of the words 'Muslim and African Breeders'

If you get frightened of those words, I think you remove yourself from the facts.
- And it's FACTS, not some bs 'racism' accusation that I'm alluding to -

If you must accuse me of 'racism', then go right ahead and do so;
Look what I named my thread, and I mentioned it earlier that I accept I'm going to be accused of it anyway.

In any case, I want to share these links.
This is important, you have to look into the facts.
No country comes back from 1.8 - that's what they say.

'Remarkable' decline in fertility rates
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-46118103

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

Dear Canem Malum,

You wrote;

“The word "racist" just demonizes the target without adding value to the discussion.” and “It seems the racist label is just designed to intimidate and terrorize people into silence.”

You are being inane young fella. If you really meant a word of this you would have pulled up AC on the title for this thread and his original post.

These were his opening words;
“I support the Racist Australians position in standing up to ethnic minority criminals taking over our country over the position of multiculturalism and political correctness.”

Why no whinging about him directly labeling someone racist? Is it because your beef is with me rather than any particular stance of your own? Which is fine but let's call it for what it is, rather than attempting to smother the obvious in mealy mouthed words and platitudes about racists being misunderstood.

I understood AC perfectly. When he used the term African breeders he was following the typical racist playbook of dehumanizing the particular race he has an issue with. He was also propagating the threat of 'them out breeding us in our own country', straight out of the same playbook.

Now you might want to bring up a troubled childhood, or bad parenting, or poor schooling, or even blame mass media for AC writing what he did, I really don't care. It might explain it but it can never excuse it. There is a pretty sure fire way of not being intimidated by the word racist, don't use openly racist terms.

Bottom line mate you have an opinion just like the rest of us but credibility is a whole other issue. Wag a finger at AC and you might be able to scrape a little back. Until then you should park the holier than thou rubbish, it is most unbecoming.

Hey Belly,
4114 might be a QLD postcode.
It may the name in which members of a local gang refer to itself as well as advertise where they're from.

Armchair Critic,
You might be onto something, 4114 is in the federal Seat of Rankin (ALP).

Dear AC,

I had imagined your friend as being quite elderly, not with young children. Dying of cancer is a really nasty thing to have to go through not only for the person involved but also for family and friends, made more poignant when it takes a parent away from kids.

Anyway good to see you back in the fray.

You write;

“In defense of my use of the words 'Muslim and African Breeders'”.

For a start there is no defence unless you suffer from tourettes. And how on earth does showing declining global birth rates constitute a defense in your mind?

We all breed, some parts of the globe breed faster than others. However Qatar has a lower birth rate than the USA. The United Arab Emirates has a birth rate under Australia. Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia all have birth rates under Israel. It is mostly a function of how wealthy a country is rather than race or religion.

But you have used the term as a call to arms and to instill fear of the other. I am not 'frightened' by the words I just think they are stupid and a direct product of a racist mindset. Now if you want to try the 'I misspoke' route I will cut you some slack, however if you continue to stand by them then at least own up to being a racist.

Belly,
That WASP that 'always gets bail' did not get away with it this time, so that is a start. But harder sentences required.

Prosecuting and punishing criminals, no matter what their skin colour, is not racist. Why are parents not prosecuted for FGM and what about all the underage marriages. Would you term that racism as it sure is discriminating in favour of race and culture.

The community belives the police and judiciary let the Africans in Vic get away scot free. That is the truth!

Henry L I agree, have said so often, our justice is broken
How did sympathy for offenders EVER outweigh the victims pain
Name one single hander down of justice who see,s the victim first
BUT the wasp in my thread have not yet been bought to justice
One, of a whole white youth gang, has fronted, most get bond after bond
Can it be the costs of confinement out weight the victims pain
My point?
Why has Hanson and co, not lept on this

Hey SteeleRedux,

My friend was 55 and had 7 kids.
The ones I mentioned previously were his youngest to his current partner.

I know you support the Palestinians, on that issue.
With that in mind I'm sure you well understand what it is to constantly be labelled 'anti-Semite' every time you try to raise legitimate concerns on that particular issue.

Now you may not be able to see or understand my arguments or get my point of view on this issue;
But this issue is kind of the same thing;
'When you say I'm speading fear and that I'm racist';

- It's the exact same thing as if you were speaking up about a legitimate concern for the Palestinians and someone was attempting to shut you down by saying the same thing.

I'm not sure whether your ignorant of my concerns or not;
- That I don't want to be a vassal state in a One World Government.
I don't want Australians futures decided by foreigners.

I don't care for this 2030 Globalist agenda and the complete takeover of national soverignty;
Nor all the backwards PC agendas surrounding us today; please give me some sanity.
When you say 'I'm speading fear and that I'm racist'; you're conflating the issue.
And it's not me that created this situation, I'm just looking at the facts;
And I'm not going to self censor or NOT SAY what I believe for anyone;
Migrant proxy armies who only vote left;
To allow Globalism to steal the nation out from under me.

The real problem is, we'll never work out any of these issues;
Because by shutting down my speech, your shutting down the discourse.
And there can never be any resolution of any issues if the discourse is prevented from happening.
And that's exactly what your side - the side your argument defends; wants.

Artificially raising birthrates for the economy is not well-aligned with the idea of reducing population and CO2 because of climate change.

If they are deliberately promoting Africans and Muslims over others for any reason, isn't that racist?

Why has Hanson and co, not lept on thisBelly,
Why ? So the lefties can gang up on her as per usual. I think she's said a hundred times over what needs to be said & done yet all she got was criticism from the Left.
I really can't blame her for not bothering anymore.

The statement from the left should be 'I support the criminals'. As simply as that.

Dear AC,

You write;

“Because by shutting down my speech, your shutting down the discourse.”

What a load of absolute codswallop!

I called you out as a racist for using a blatantly racist term. It was up to you to put up a legitimate argument why drawing that obvious conclusion was wrong, something you have spectacularly failed to do.

However I then went on to step through and provide responses to every one of your other questions, not a single one of those responses has been subsequently addressed by you.

Instead you sit there and bleat on about being a victim, of being intimidated, of having your 'discourse shut down' when it isn't.

Similar views on Palestinians? I would have a lot more confidence that being the case if you weren't caught up in One World Government rubbish which inevitably embraces Jewish conspiracies.

Stop being a snowflake and start discoursing.

Muslims and Africans have featured in our refugee intake but have been far less a feature of our migrant intake. The Australian refugee intake is usually about 18,000 people while migration figures are well over 10 times that.

The top three countries making up the 2 million migrants who entered this country since 2000 were India, then England then China. These are not majority Muslim or African countries by any stretch of the imagination.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/where-australias-permanent-migrants-come-from/news-story/f5ec188ed1c276727566215bd0be4705

For you to be highlighting Muslim and African refugees as a risk to our sovereignty rather than these other nations doesn't speak to any love of the facts, rather it speaks directly to your racism. Now we might offer up some mitigation to these views as perhaps the Murdoch media has assisted your hysteria, but your underlying racism is clear.

Now it would be quite legitimate to say there is an issue with some of those from South Sudan fully joining our Australian community, and that world events serve to maintain a tension with our arrivals from some Islamic countries. But as a country we need to work through them just like any mature nation does.

Time for a little maturity from you too perhaps.

Steele Redux,
Have you been getting lessons from Foxy ? I think you should get in touch with the Fred Hollows Foundations for your seeing problem.

Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 12 January 2019 8:20:09 AM

Comment1-
//To use this word is like so many words that are used to demonize//
Words like communist, you mean? ;)

Answer1- The difference is communists in the current era probably wouldn't be denied employment unlike being labelled racist.

Comment2-
//the problem with most ideologies is they create an absolute morality- then say all those that contradict this arbitrary moral framework are evil.//
See conservatism.

Answer2- The difference between Communism and Conservatism is that Communism tries to change society but Conservatism tries to stop too much change. At least with Conservatism there given that the systems in question have worked before and people are familiar with the system suggests that they are not as arbitrary or absolute

Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 12 January 2019 10:48:42 AM

Comment1-
Dear Canem Malum,
You wrote;
“The word "racist" just demonizes the target without adding value to the discussion.” and “It seems the racist label is just designed to intimidate and terrorize people into silence.”
You are being inane young fella. If you really meant a word of this you would have pulled up AC on the title for this thread and his original post.
These were his opening words;
“I support the Racist Australians position in standing up to ethnic minority criminals taking over our country over the position of multiculturalism and political correctness.”

Answer1-
When AC is using the term "racist" he is using it in a different way perhaps part self deprocating and part paraphrasing media accusations- than you who are using it in an attempt similar to the media to attack and terrorize him.

Comment2-

Why no whinging about him directly labeling someone racist? Is it because your beef is with me rather than any particular stance of your own? Which is fine but let's call it for what it is, rather than attempting to smother the obvious in mealy mouthed words and platitudes about racists being misunderstood.

Answer2-

Definition- Mealy Mouthed- http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/mealy+mouthed
Hesitant or unwilling to state something bluntly and directly when speaking, especially facts or opinions that are considered divisive or controversial. Everyone keeps having these mealy-mouthed conversations about crime in poor areas of the city, unwilling to talk about the scumbags who are to blame.

On the contrary SteeleRedux I get the impression that AC is more than willing to discuss the concerns that you label as "racist"- correct me if you disagree- it seems that you are in fact the one that is reluctant to discuss the issues- you avoid discussion by demonizing AC with the word "Racist".

Comment3-

I understood AC perfectly. When he used the term African breeders he was following the typical racist playbook of dehumanizing the particular race he has an issue with. He was also propagating the threat of 'them out breeding us in our own country', straight out of the same playbook.

Answer3- I'm not sure why AC used the term "African Breeders" maybe you should ask him about it rather than labelling him "Racist". I suspect that he is referring to those that have children but don't teach them virtue. They breed and leave their children to go wild. Yes the "playbook"- someone should tell me about this playbook I'm always looking for challenging reading material. Are you referring to "Mein Kampf"? (Ad Hitlerum)- I haven't read it- are you saying you have??- there is a book on Propaganda by Edward Bernays (I believe an American Small L Republican in the 1920s) that might contain the techniques to discredit and demonize competitors.

Comment4-

Now you might want to bring up a troubled childhood, or bad parenting, or poor schooling, or even blame mass media for AC writing what he did, I really don't care. It might explain it but it can never excuse it. There is a pretty sure fire way of not being intimidated by the word racist, don't use openly racist terms.

Bottom line mate you have an opinion just like the rest of us but credibility is a whole other issue. Wag a finger at AC and you might be able to scrape a little back. Until then you should park the holier than thou rubbish, it is most unbecoming.

Answer4- AC doesn't appear to want to be excused. He searches his heart to make a point and all you have to say is "Racist"- contemptuous. SteeleRedux said "don't use openly racist terms"- well... there are serious issues with immigration- to the left Communists discussion of these issues is "Racist"- the self serving Communists- sounds like something from "the playbook".

A bad dog is always unbecoming.

SteeleRedux- Thanks for your feedback.

Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 12 January 2019 10:47:41 AM

'Remarkable' decline in fertility rates
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-46118103

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

Answer- Armchair Critic- Thanks for the interesting articles

It's interesting that Dr Leeson and Prof Murray appear to have different views on the decline in fertility rates and what it means for the community.

I believe that man adapts to the density of the environment- through psychology- the problem is perhaps that capitalism doesn't adapt to population density as "liberal free markets" seem to require growth. Perhaps in the future there will be a return to private ownership- perhaps it's already happening in the form of share "buy backs".

I was surprised that India indicated a births per female rate of about 2.5 in 2016- this is down from the recent 4 value- but it is coming from a very high base of about 1.3 Billion people- of course some suspect that many in India are not included in Census data.
It would be interesting to compare India's "population density" to other countries.

In 2003 half of Indias population was under the age of 15- it will be interesting to see how this will affect the average children per female and Indias population as these 2003 babies reach adulthood.

This is an article saying that demographics for a state were significantly inflated.
http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/04/06/nagaland-s-demographic-somersault-how-reliable-are-india-s-official-statistics/

It appears from the links that African countries have the fastest breeding rates in the world.

* I believe that the world would be better with less people- but there will be some "challenges and benefits" with the transition to smaller populations.

indy there is a hole in your bucket old mate
In fact Hanson has no bucket, any one elected to her team ,leaves her for another
Her voice is electing morons for other teams
Her six year term will keep her in the chook house this time
But nation wide only in the deep north can her vote play any roll these days

//The difference is communists in the current era probably wouldn't be denied employment unlike being labelled racist.//

Really? You think that somebody calling AC racist on a sparsely populated backwater of the internet like OLO is going to affect his prospects of employment? O.... kay.

And whaddya know, two posts later and he's back at it again:

//there are serious issues with immigration- to the left Communists discussion of these issues is "Racist"//

Of courser, he knows full well that not everybody who dislikes racism is communist, or even necessarily on the left. And we know he knows that, and he knows that we know he knows that. He just likes to use these highly charged and loaded terms to demonise people who don't share his particular interpretation of 'conservatism', whilst at the same time handing down sermons from his moral high ground on the wickedness of doing what he does.

Apparently we're supposed to find this line of argument convincing or something. ¯\_(°_o)_/¯

It's a good thing that most of us have the sense to realise that arguing on the internet is just a bit of fun and of no real consequence or importance.

//At least with Conservatism there given that the systems in question have worked before and people are familiar with the system suggests that they are not as arbitrary or absolute//

I'll agree that in a non-totalitarian country like Australia, the things tories hold dear are not absolute, but the same is true of the left. But a lot of them are still entirely arbitrary.

//SteeleRedux said "don't use openly racist terms"- well... there are serious issues with immigration//

Which can be discussed quite easily without being racist. If Bob Carr can do it, what's stopping anybody else? It's not hard: you just treat it as a numbers game; a qualitative rather than quantitative problem. So rather than 'there's too many black people' try 'the immigration intake is too high by x number of people and should be reduced by y%'.

I fail to see any difference anymore between the do-gooders & the racists.

Dear CM,

You write;

“you are in fact the one that is reluctant to discuss the issues” and “He searches his heart to make a point and all you have to say is "Racist"- contemptuous.”

Contemptuous? I will tell you who is being contemptuous here you pompous prig.

The proof is in the pudding. I have been the only poster here who took the time to address every single question AC put in his original post. You on the other hand swan on in with what you think are offhanded pithy one liners then take the topic on tangents which have little to do with the concerns raised by AC.

So you sir are the one who illustrated your contemptuousness of AC in spades.

Now you are writing reams on a single solitary point, my use of the word racist. You are the one who is dwelling on this, out of the many areas I addressed in my original reply to AC. This is your fixation, not mine, nor it seems AC's.

Well we have a fair idea why, it is because you too would like to use racist terms with gay abandon without getting called out on them. You are likely sick of having to temper your language to stay within the bounds of common decency, of social norms. You want to see those norms shifted so 'we can all discuss the issue without intimidation'. What a crock.

Well that isn't going to happen when I am around young whippersnapper.

And yes I have read and retain a copy of Mein Kampf. I advise you to read it as well. Contained within is a story of a young man who had no quarrel with Jews of Vienna, who enjoyed their company, and who found Antisemitism thoroughly distasteful being turned by a Christian mayor into a raging Jew hater. It was one of the most destructive radicalisations in modern history and deeply illustrative of how racist language not challenged can infect an entire country and lead to the slaughter of millions.

Why do you find yourself defending that language?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273593

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273769

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273783

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273874

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273882

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273890

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273892

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8591#273923

Please see previous posts and new comments below...

Who brought in the massive numbers of immigrants to create this conflict- the liberals on the left (Social Liberals) and the right (Small L Liberals). They disregarded and discredited the public in their concerns and now there is war. Now anything goes.

I think that it's possible to be "against bigotry" but still evil. As is China's encapsulation of Tibet. Those that "do good" for bad reasons. You could argue that China is just encouraging diversity in Tibet in the same way that multiculturalism and diversity policy operates in the west- in both cases evil is being done in the name of the good.

It seems the racist label is just designed to intimidate and terrorize people into silence.

Toni Lavis said- "He just likes to use these highly charged and loaded terms to demonise people who don't share his particular interpretation of 'conservatism', whilst at the same time handing down sermons from his moral high ground"

Answer- Bad dogs are the lowest of low. They don't do sermons or wear of gods authority. They are bad- fur dishevelled, infested, and black, eyes red, dripping tongue with blood, head belly tail low, elbows and knees.... sort of like the Irish.

Toni Lavis said- "he knows full well that not everybody who dislikes racism is communist, or even necessarily on the left"

Answer- I agree with this- but it wasn't the "right liberals" attacking "the Nazi's" at the St Kilda rally it was the Communists and later the left wing media

Toni Lavis said-

"//SteeleRedux said "don't use openly racist terms"- well... there are serious issues with immigration// Which can be discussed quite easily without being racist. If Bob Carr can do it, what's stopping anybody else? It's not hard: you just treat it as a numbers game; a qualitative rather than quantitative problem. So rather than 'there's too many black people' try 'the immigration intake is too high by x number of people and should be reduced by y%'."

Answer- Many people believe that the cultural values and family or genetic basis are important in the community.

This is a belief that is based on "race"- you can discredit and demonize believers as "Racist"- I believe- those that use the term "racist" are evil. Family is important. Race is an extension of family.

Social Liberalism is against preserving race- but they use the term "Racist"- Liberalism in this context is evil.

So in contradiction to Toni Lavis I believe that many of the issues with immigration cannot be discussed without reference to "race".

I believe Liberal perspective is incorrect-
but at least if "Liberals on the left and the right" avoid using the term "Racist" it's possible to tease out the issues. Anthropology seems to favour the "racist" view.

But if the Liberals have "a vested interest in not discussing the issues" the narrative starts to make sense.

The sad thing is many liberals (the vast majority) believe they are "doing the right thing"- these "do gooders" end up unknowingly helping the far left achieve their goals.

This leads to the debate between meritocracy and democracy- but that's another story

Steeley, whoa there boy.
No need for the tirade, that's MY job.
As for Mr Hitler, he was a traitor to his own kind, he had Jewish blood, look it up, his mother was raped by a mentally deranged very wealthy, twisted man who came from a lineage of the same ilk.
If you want confirmation, it's there right along side Mein Kampf.
It makes for interesting reading, although I have found the history and antics of this family to be WAAAAAY beyond the pale, by any measure of civility.
Still, I would question your stance on this matter and counsel you on your comments on or about CM.
Not to question your point, only your delivery.
I feel CM has made no more or less a point as most others on this topic.
Your response is such that it got me 'off my arse', and take issue.
I read 'every' entry others add to any topic I am subscribed to and usually just read them and move on without comment should I see fit.
Your response was one such that got my attention, (for the wrong reason).
But I respectfully sway to the the fact that it is called OLO.
Just thought you were a tad harsh on CM, when all is considered.

This year a reality check will pull some up fast
Election in both Federal and NSW and it seems likely both may see Conservatives currently infesting the LNP beaten badly
Not enough true right/conservatives exist in this country to hold federal government
We here[ OLO] live in a world not reflective of the real one
Too Trump, staggering under the weight of his own lies and mad promises, to mad supporters, is in for a year he wishes he could avoid
Reality knocks this year on a few doors here

Dear ALTRAV,

Tirade? Hardly.

As usual I return what is being served. If CM wants to shoot off the label 'contemptuous' then I would have thought 'pompous' was very much in the same vein or might it be said the same vernacular.

I mean how pompous do you have to be to make a statement like the one CM offered as his first post here;

“It's fairly easy to see how intelligent someone is- just cut and paste the text into MS Word and check the grade level of the writing.”

So the question is was my delivery that much different to his that you felt the label of tirade was appropriate for my post rather than his? I must admit I'm having a little difficulty seeing it if there was.

Perhaps it was my use of 'prig'. Well a prig is “a self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if they are superior to others”.

I suppose that could be equally applied to all three of us therefore I'm not sure I can be chastised for stating the bleeding obvious, CM is certainly a prig.

As to being harsh I suppose a case could be sustained although I would have thought I was more being direct, calling it as I see it, cutting to the chase, etc etc.

Indeed if those words were applied with little else then harsh would be appropriate. However in my opinion my saving grace is that I make every effort to articulate my reasons for applying the labels I have. No one has made the case that they are without merit.

Likewise no one has made the case that the term 'African breeders' when referring to immigrants isn't racist. The best that CM has come up with was that AC was “referring to those that have children but don't teach them virtue” which was patently absurd.

You may or may not appreciate the ludicrousness of you preaching moderation of language. However I have endevoured to give due response to the points you raised. Happy for you to take it or leave it.

//but it wasn't the "right liberals" attacking "the Nazi's" at the St Kilda rally it was the Communists and later the left wing media//

Yes, and pretty much everybody else. I mean try as hard as you might, you're never going to be able to convince me that ScoMo is a communist or member of the left wing media, and he condemned the juiced-up deadbeats at the St Kilda rally at least as much as any of your imaginary communists.

//Many people believe that the cultural values and family or genetic basis are important in the community.//

Good for them. Remarkably, most of them manage to not be racist.

//Family is important. Race is an extension of family.//

Yeah, because if you're not racist, it's because you're evil and you don't place importance on family.

XD

Do you actually think anybody will buy that, CM?

//I believe that many of the issues with immigration cannot be discussed without reference to "race".//

No, of course you don't. Not because you're racist, of course. Apparently that word isn't PC anymore and we can't use words that aren't PC without upsetting snowflakes. You're not racist, you're 'a member of the pro ethnic purity community'.

//Anthropology seems to favour the "racist" view.//

Anthropology is an academic field, not an ideology.

//The sad thing is many liberals (the vast majority) believe they are "doing the right thing"- these "do gooders" end up unknowingly helping the far left achieve their goals.//

Yeah, because we're all just big dumb thickos. With so many visionaries and geniuses on the conservative side compared to all us intellectual midgets, it's amazing they're not running the show by now.

Hi everyone,
It's been a big week for me and I haven't kept up with this thread as well as I should've.
- My apologies to all -

I wanted to try to explain valid reasons why I opposed the UN and global agendas, all this multiculturalism, the increased population for growth / aging population as opposed to the climate change reasons for depopulation; but I just couldn't put all the right words together to come up with something non-rambling and coherent.

And so I'll try to read through everyone's comments and catch up;

In the meantime I started watching a Stefan Molyneau video just a little while ago, and I guess I got lucky because he's talking about many of the kinds I things I was trying to say but couldn't find the right words for.

The Terrible Truth About "Ireland 2040"
http://youtu.be/Qkl1xGTt9Sw

Many of the same kinds of issues relate similarly to our country.
The video author studied philosophy and looks at many global issues.
I only watched a little (15mins) and it's really good food for thought, so if anyone has the time, I recommend you watch this one and trust you'll get some useful information from it, it's not conspiratorial if anyone's wondering - based on the stuff I often post.

Anyway thanks everyone for all your comments on the thread.

Individual, SteeleRedux, ALTRAV, Toni Lavis- Thanks for your feedback

CM your welcome.

Honestly that was the best video I've watched in ages.
It was an excellent overview and just as relevant to Australia as Ireland, and I agree with what he says:

I'm not going to be held hostage by a 2 syllable word called 'Racism'.
It's a word that can undo everything we have that my ancestors fought and worked for.

Armchair Critic- You can't show a preference to your ancestors- that's "Racist" ;)

Information in relation to the Stefan Molyneux video- on immigration potentially or actually from Africa. It's fairly long- 2 hours.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/05/highereducation.research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

Actually I don't care what the IQ's of African's are- I believe every culture should have their own nation- Australia is a British country- every nation is responsible for their own future. But it seems to indicate that certain countries would perhaps be wise to consider investing more in education.

My instinct is that politicians shouldn't be able to have high immigration policies, perhaps there are other policies in this classification

//Australia is a British country//

No, Australia is an Australian country.

Toni, sorry as much as Aussies don't want to believe or accept, but Australia was, shall we say, settled but in reality conquered, by the British.
It may be self regulating, but only with the permission and approval of the British Crown.
Just to put 'paid' to this point, to this day when a new govt is elected, the new PM has to go and ASK the reigning Monarch, permission to run the country, 'on her behalf'.
So as I have said many times Australia still belongs to the British Monarchy.
Or to be more precise; The QUEEN of ENGLAND.

cont.....

And so it is that Australia IS a British country.
It just happens to be called Australia, those born within are called Australians.
Like any other Commonwealth country.
Until the queen gives her approval for a country to become independent she still 'owns' it.

Dear AC,

Stefan Molyneau? Ouch.

Okay I will admit he was a bit of fun when I first came across him. I actually had his app on my iphone 3 for a while, it was that long ago.

You claim; “The video author studied philosophy”. No he didn't. He has a qualification in History but nothing in philosophy.

But not only does the man have serious father issues he gets so bloody repetitive, and defensive about white males. He has no formal training as a philosopher and would so often spout stuff without giving sources that I gave up and went and found other sites for a rightwing take of things. Ultimately Molyneau really is a lightweight compared to other rightwing pundits out there so I'm not readily inclined to sit through over 2 hours of his banter. I will wait for your summary when you do the chore.

However I've clicked through to see some of his stills and it looks like he is yet again banging on about population. Here was one that obviously shocked you and his other viewers to the core;

“17.3% of the Irish population were listed as foreign-born in the 2016 census.” Oh my God! The terror, the terror!

The thing is that Australia was over that mark in 1966 and we have never looked back (though we might have been a little more circumspect with ALRAV's dad. He sounds about as grateful as his son). It sits at 28% as of the last census. Is that too high? In my opinion yes but nothing I'm going to call for a revolution over.

Molyneau is just doing the typical populist shtick, blowing things out well of proportion, creating fear and distress to earn more advertising revenue from his channel.

Actually his is very much your man isn't he.

Steeley, I don't ever remember mentioning my father in all my recant,s.
At least not in any form of dis-approval of this country.
NO my friend, you've got that all wrong.
Firstly my parents left well after the war, 1949, I was born 1950.
They left Italy because of the politics and the factions and public undercurrents.
NO my father, sorry, parents were the most grateful and thankful for having come here.
Your gripe is with me.
My parents lived in a different world than we do today.
Back then it was a marvel of opportunities, if you were prepared to work.
There is no point in being prepared to work if there are no jobs.
And so it was that father began with picks and shovels, as that was the work available at the time.
Bloody hard and devastatingly hot work, not just in the city but up North as well.
All along always sprouting songs of praise for this ungrateful sh!thole and it's ungrateful people.
He did well, and definitely not because of any help from the govt or the public for that matter, and still no complaints.
He was too focused on his responsibilities as husband, father and provider.
Me on the other hand, have been able to stand back and take stock, and have found this country, from govt to people, to be wanting.
The reason I don't include myself in any examples I give about Australia or Aussies is that I know I'm different because I can see the difference all around me.
Basically Aussies are deluded, and up 'em-selves'.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/let-s-hope-fraser-anning-soon-returns-to-the-obscurity-he-deserves-20190111-p50qu0.html
Challenge
Read the link
Quite another side to the story
Ask your self could it be my views are very much minority ones?

ALTRAV- I think perhaps the reason for some British Australian's "weakness" is their high level of Liberalisation/ Individualisation. Many have lost the extended family still prevalent in other cultures- and hence the reality check entailed over other mass based institutions such as media.

The current African Government policy is Africa is for black Africans. They would not welcome an invasion of white settlers.

Josephus, I think your stating the obvious, but I agree.
No one welcomes an invasion, of any kind, irrespective if by blacks or whites.
They are still 'invading', they were not 'invited'.

Either you win the award or you don't Lol
Or is winning the award only conditional upon future behavior?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-14/nobel-prize-winner-james-watson-stripped-title-race-comments/10712588

I thought you won things based on merit.
Say I won a gold tournament, how do you take that away?

You said something that we deem inappropriate.
We're taking the gold tournament award back.

Either he discovered DNA or he didn't?
If you cannot accept the basis of merit in winning the award then the award isn't worth a piece of crap anyway.

Wtf? society as a whole is now borderline mentally retarded.

- Silence anyone who does not support the globalist anti-sovereign pc religion -

Arnchair critic,
it'll be interesting how the (common) senseless will react to your last link. Videos such as this one need to be shown to first time voters.

I heard James Watson's TED talk I believe- interesting guy- it takes an exceptional mind to be the first to understand DNA. It's sad that the "Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory" has discredited such a great man- you might not respect his views on everything but you should respect his work. This should have been handled differently.

I understand that the organisation has policies but when these policies alienate them from their hero's you have to question the legitimacy.

James Watson didn't have his Nobel Prize removed - just his Emeritis Professor status. He sold his Nobel Prize some years ago.

//He sold his Nobel Prize some years ago.//

He sold the medal; he still has his Nobel.

This isn't the first time this has happened: Linus Pauling was a genius chemist who received a well-earned Nobel and then, in later years, went a bit demented and started spouting a bunch of crackpot nonsense about vitamin C being a miracle cure.

Daft remarks by foolish old men do not detract from the greatness of their scientific work, achieved when they still possessed all their marbles. There but for the grace of god...