Sorry to bring you down to such a matter as this so close to Christmas.
So the US is withdrawing from Syria. The ISIS mob has been hammered
down but like Al Quider and the Taliban they will no doubt resurrect
when the pressure is relieved.
Like the Crusaders of old the west went into the Middle East because
Christians were being murdered and disspossed. True in modern times
there were very few Christians left anyway.

The real question now is there any point in going back to the Middle East
when they next get themselves into war amoungst themselves ?
I have now read about halfway into The History of Jihad from Muhammad
to ISIS and I can see that there is nothing we can do to help them
in any future convulsion of war and turmoil.

It is the nature of their religion that is the cause of all their
problems and it has been so for the last 1400 years. I had thought
this some time ago but I am now certain that we should pull up the
drawbridge and have as little as possible to do with the Middle
Eastern countries.
They have been in frequent warfare internally within the Middle East
and in particular with the Persians, now Iran as well as Egypt and
Nth Africa and other surrounding areas including Spain Austria and India.
There is the matter of Israel which needs to be considered, but aside
from some supplies they can generally look after themselves as they do
have nuclear weapons if push comes to shove.

Should the west now resolve to spend no more lives and wealth on a
hopeless group of people ?

Anyway Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Good move by Trump. The Middle East should be left to sort out its own problems. If the West had not stuck it's nose into the ME in the first place, we wouldn't be plagued by country-shopping Muslims and terrorism. Saudi Arabia is the big noise in the area; let them meddle if they wish to. Nothing to do with the West. Never was.

Dear Bazz,

The following link puts it much better than I ever
could:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/maccallum--leave-the-middle-east/6830102

Foxy's ABC quote said;
As long as our troops remain on what is seen as Islamic lands,

Well that is at the heart of their problem; it is not Muslim lands, it
was invaded and the Christians and Zoroastrians were murdered or forced
to become muslims.

That is the fundamental truth behind it all.
It was the reason the Crusades occurred, and it was some sort of
hangover from those times that brought western armies back to the
Middle East together with Ottoman colonisation of parts of Europe.

I think the west has done all it could and should and it is now time
to say to the Middle East Sink or Swim !

It is hard hearted but perhaps the west could offer the Christians
refugee status wherever they want to go.

"What is SEEN as Islamic land". As you say Bazz, it's not really. Old Mungo is probably one of the people who denies Jews a land of their own. The Left is always bleating about Jews 'having no right to their own land' despite the fact that they have been kicked out of, and abused in, other lands all over the world. The Left is too s--t frightened to say the same thing about Muslims though, who are also intent on turning all countries into Muslim countries, including the one Mungo McCallum uses and abuses for his petulant outbursts.

Bazz as is true about every thing views differ
Long before America got involved Great Briton left problems all over the middle east
As did other colonial country's
Trumps own advisers do not like his move
Kurds fought with great courage and commitment
The Turkish Dictator may use the opportunity do do great harm
Russia is the clear winner
Maybe Putin has some thing on Trump
No easy year ahead for America or Trump