mhaze,

I can't remember calling you a "denier" of any kind.
My attempts were to try to provide you with
information so that you'd understand where I was
coming from and why.

I did appreciate your providing me with so much detail
as to what you believed and of course I respect your
opinion and the efforts you've gone to. I happen
to see things differently. That should not however
make either one of us disgruntled and wish to attack the other.
We are fully functioning adults and hopefully we can
both end up behaving with civility.

Thank You for understanding.

Foxy, OK thanks for responding, I'll keep it short and to the point.
If I am to question this site, I will, but just one point that makes it a little more believable than you suggest, and that is;
Your reference to the Aussy Reserve Bank.
It's not a bank and it's not Ayssy, just like the US Reserve, it too is a private entity which ultimately has a Rothschild at the helm.
So you can see, when I discover an anomaly I am suspicious and therefore look deeper and further, and these are some of the results from these, what you call, 'conspiracy theories'.

All this argy bargy and arguing about the same thing is not going to make one bit of difference to reality. Liberal and Labor and the Greens, apart from small differences in detail, are in lockstep on climate change and unreliable energy.

They are not going to take any notice of a few anonymous posters on OLO or any social media, arguing among themselves. This is not real life, folks. Anyone who thinks people outside the elites and without any power (all of us) can make a difference is seriously deluded. Unless you vote for the Australian Conservatives in the Senate next year (which you won't), you will continue arguing pointlessly until you die or finally wake up to the futility of it all.

Just read this online:

“A report titled Innocenti Report Card 14 produced by the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) in 2017, ranked Australia 39 out of 41 high- in middle-income countries in achieving quality education.”

Do you really think that Australia has the brains to resist the coming s—tstorm created by our dimwit political class and average voters?

Once, a long time ago, we had an Aussie poster living and working in China contributing here
She I think it was, informed us her students read this forum
You only have to check who is logged in to see many read but never post
It has been said our views here do not matter
Yet politicians have posted here too.
Are our views restricted to this site, or do some of us live them
YES even while kicking and screaming all they way, to some extent even this federal government knows the climate is changing
Maybe room, [not in my view] to claim that change is not man made
But claiming it is not happening?

Belly
Quote "Yet politicians have posted here too." You mean like this.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20086
Leyonhjelm is the Liberal Democrat Senator for NSW.

On that thread you will see this comment.
"It appears David Leyonhjelm is not very good at engaging the electorate or voters, I have looked at a number of articles he has posted here then went to the comments I could not find one he had replied too.

He has at a guess around 80 articles" ** If he does post he does not appear to come back to answer questions. **

Quote "Maybe room, [not in my view] to claim that change is not man made But claiming it is not happening?"

I would say you are wrong, I would also say everyone on here does believe in the concept of Climate change but what they disagree with is what extent is attributable to humans as opposed to natural causes.

The UN, IPCC in there terms of reference are only allowed to look at man made causes which are estimated as only a fraction of overall effects.

When there predictions are proven wrong like here.
Fact
Prince Charles on advice from leading environmentalists Jonathon Porritt and Tony Juniper made a statement that it had been "calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world" this statement was made July 2009.

** that is from calculations made by the two leading environmentalists **

** So July 2017 the world was in relatively the same state as July 2009. So that statement was based on faulty science or other errors or a blatant lie **

In any person that should put a small doubt into their thinking on the subject in question.

** Also too many can't see thing in an out of the box way.
I recently posted this story above.

This also should make the calculations of climate scientist wrong.

China and Russia Have Modified the Atmosphere Above Europe to Test Possible Military Application, Scientists Say.

These experiments plus the ones conducted by the US military would have to be effecting the temperature readings somewhere.