There would seem to be a case for increased immigration of white South Africans on humanitarian grounds as they appear to be the target of much crime in their country.

The subject was recently mentioned by the Liberals, http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/15/special-visas-for-white-south-african-farmers-on-agenda-for-liberal-council-meeting

and there would seem to be some sound reasoning behind the idea
http://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-statistics-farm-attacks-murders-sa/

The murder rate in South Africa is rather high.

White Africans would be a huge improvement on black Africans, if we really needed any more immigrants, and if they are really at peril from black Africans as some reports suggest. Go ahead and call me a racist, but what I say is fact, as any realist with eyes, ears and a brain will attest. There is a natural tension between races, and they are not meant to be living in the same country.

Openly racist comments need this being said, dear outside our country readers we are not all bigots, racists xenophobes
However most of us would want refugees of any color who are in need of protection to find it here
South Africa included
I have had an unfortunate meeting with a white south African
He insisted on telling me in a loud unhinged voice out side a polling booth he had killed near a hundred people of color and enjoyed it
Such a person is not wanted here

I've seen a lot of white South Africans here and they seem to fit in well. But so did both the black South Africans I've seen here.

What part does the colour of someone's skin play
in how well they fit into the community?
Surely that's a reflection also on the community?
It takes two to tango.

The Boers and British are most welcome because they shoot and vote.
Sometimes the shooting kept the vote in the right hands, like pistols.

Subject deserved better pure racism is dumb but it should not stop comments
I too have seen good migrants from both races in this country
Never forget one of the greatest ever humans was black and united the country Vale Nelson Mandela a truly great human

//There would seem to be a case for increased immigration of white South Africans on humanitarian grounds//

Nah, it's the thin end of wedge, Is Mise. If we let these people jump the queue on so flimsy a reason as 'humanitarian grounds', it will set a precedent and we'll be expected to take in every Tom, Dick and Harry with a sob story about violent oppression. It might seem OK when it's just a handful of South Africans, but what about all the ethnic groups copping it even worse? Do we have room for all of them too?

No, it's not workable.
They're probably decent people but the UN decreed we should take Muslims.

- And white South African farmers probably aren't Muslims.

So it's a no-go on that one sorry.
After all you might inadvertantly be seen to be promoting a 'white' agenda or a 'racist' agenda, and this isn't part of the new 'PC' religion.

Too bad, so sad.

AC
To say we must take Muslims is racist and against PC.

No it's not, it's perfectly acceptable.
'Black Lives Matter' but it's NOT 'Ok To Be White'.

Who in UN identified a category of religious people and said we must take Muslims?

Let's be fair, then, and take no-one. We need more immigrants like we need a hole in the head. The political class brings them in because it's a lazy way to pad GDP. But it means to the people already here no wage growth, higher property prices, shortage of rental properties, higher welfare bills and overcrowding. Pretty damn stupid. Twenty eight percent of the population is already foreign-born. You don't keep a country cohesive and healthy that way.

Belly,

Having dealt with many South Africans of various colours both in Aus and overseas I have never heard such an utterance. Also, as it is overwhelmingly unlikely to be true, I wonder what interchange between your bunch and him solicited such an angry outburst. My personal experience is that I have seen more racism from White Australians than white South Africans.

As for South Africa, the level of crime affects all colours and is really at levels that makes violence there only exceeded by countries at war. Most South Africans come to Aus based on skills that Aus desperately needs, combine their contributions to Aus with their situation at home, and there is justification for them to be given some level of priority.

We can't bring in Afrikaans - they'll likely vote Liberal or conservative and that negates one of the main reasons for bringing in refugees.

The Communist party leader , comrade G Brandis ordered that in 2016, 6,567 people who arrived in Australia seeking asylum were recognised as refugees.

SM well you just lost me, you are unhinged, calling me out for lies that never took place is informative
See NATIONAL PARTY booth personnel witnessed it and took my side
The man was of Dutch South African extraction
He targeted me because of my red shirt
Nationals hold this seat, while not each others fans we do not let such people attack any one
sorry but as you may already know, your opinions are often not near shared by most
At the last federal election, at pre poll, a DEMENTED WOMAN from the GREENS grabbed the member, a National, and screamed insults at every one not green
I along with the NATIONAL booth Captain restrained her and saw she never manned a booth again.
Sir your self assurance is miss placed

Peter Dutton has talked about fast-tracking
refugee applications for white-African
farmers from South Africa.

If we contemplate throwing open the flood gates
to a group reportedly being targeted for
violence, perhaps we should consider such an
expedited assistance program for other marginal
groups also subject to horrific violence.
The Rohingya from Myanmar, perhaps?

We're told that over 6,700 were killed in one
month - that's a lot more than in South Africa.
Yet we haven't heard Mr Dutton talk about fast-
tracking those people. In fact quite the opposite -
basically zero comments on the issue.

Zimbabwe we know murders take place there still, are we talking about them?
GRINNING at the thought we could import enough South Africans to forever install a conservative government!
And from a ban the Muslim poster, who by the way thinks we bring them in to vote LABOR!
A day will come must come, when we talk about lower migration for other than racist reasons
This country is not forever green pastures and flowing streams of sweet water.
Growth, here and world wide, can not be forever.

"This country is not forever green pastures and flowing streams of sweet water."
Oh yes it is, Lebanese shepherds tend gentle flocks of spring lambs on the clover and meadow-grassed hills of Bourke, playing quaint melodies upon cherished harps and pipes 'neath showery skies and girt by sea.

dirt by sea

It is interesting that Dutton would want to Aryanize white South Africans while having nothing to do with the plight of the non-white Rohingya in Myanmar. You would also be hard pressed to find any condemning words uttered by Mr Dutton during the apartheid period when the oppressive and murderous white regime subjugated the majority black population in South Africa. Where was Dutton then, in supporting South Africans of another colour, was he out there calling for black migration to Australia on the grounds of persecution, I think not.

White South Africans should be able to migrate to Australia in the same way, and under the same conditions as any other persons. Should they arrive unannounced in boats, I would hope we would treat them with the compassion and respect they deserve as we determine their refugee status. We surely would have to do more than pack them off to some hell hole in the Pacific with a promise of never seeing Australia, and re-settlement in some undetermined arsehole of a location we think would release us of any further responsibility. All very neat and tidy.

Many S African and US whites suffer from gun violence and seek refuge and protection. Australia can assist by helping fund organisations which eradicate the gunslingers.

Paul,

I would never have pegged you as the biggest racist bigot on the site.

The difference between White South Africans who are being targeted because of their race and the Burmese Muslims is that they are skilled, english speaking and will contribute to the country the moment they arrive compared to bunch of illiterate peasants with no skills, no english and toxic religion who will be a burden on the taxpayer pretty much until they die.

Population group Narrow unemployment rate Broad unemployment rate
Black 30.0% 40.7%
Coloured23.5% 29.1%
Indian 9.2% 14.9%
White 6.7% 8.5%

Source: Statistics South Africa (Q4 2017) .

Hmm , they still use the apartheit racial sets.

Come off it Shadow, trying to create smoke where there is no fire, nothing racists in my comments. Sure, I've attacked your boy Dud Dutton an overly bigoted racists himself for trying to recategorize a small group of South Africans on the grounds of their whiteness.

If as you say, and I don't doubt it, that this group of white South Africans are skilled, English speaking and probable immediate contributers to the Australian economy should they arrive, certainly it is a plus for them if they make application as migrants. However it doesn't improve their standing as refugees, nor should it. As refugees they would need to join your famous queue, you are always claiming people are trying to jump. Would you not agree? From my point of view they would be most welcome.

Belly,

I am not claiming that you lied, however, given that even the most odious of monsters in the Aparheid state system or the most active soldiers can't claim to have killed hundreds of blacks, the person yelling it out was clearly not telling the truth. Even if this individual had done this he would certainly not randomly yell it out to strangers. The only logical conclusion is that one of your lot deliberately needled him. As for racism, I doubt many Rohingya, have a broad minded and balanced feeling towards the buddists that persecuted them.

Secondly, given that the democratic transition started 28 years ago and the country has been a multiracial democracy for 24 years, since then the violence has been overwhelmingly more black on white than the reverse.

Finally,

Paul,

What you said was clearly racist, if you can't see it then read it again with the words black and white reversed.

I guess you threw in the word Aryan to link Dutton with Hilter again. Well considering that the detention centres in Manus and Nauru were set up by the Labor Green coalition, perhaps that concept of exile came from the more progressive soviet background?

"violence has been overwhelmingly more black on white than the reverse."
But is it more intensely black on white than black on black?
SA news articles give reasons for young whites leaving and there is no mention of racial targeting. The racial victim spin is in the eye of the beholder.

Now Shadow lets see who is being the racists, is it Dutton "White South African farmers deserve special attention from Australia due to the horrific circumstance of land seizures and violence".
Why is Dud Dutton only referring to White South African farmers, why not the Rohingya from Myanmar who are also suffering from land seizures and violence. Dutton used the term "white" to distinguish a very small group of 400 from the millions of refugees world wide. Why is that Shadow?

"Aryan to link Dutton with Hilter". Shadow, I don't have to link Dutton with Hitler, he does a good job of that himself.

Paul,

Up to now the Aus government has not given White farmers trying to flee racially sponsored violence in Zimbabwe or South Africa any more consideration for immigration than a British banker. The rohinga can at least apply for for asylum and get on a waiting list, yet for the farmers there is not even that available.

The second issue is that bringing these farmers to Aus will boost the tax base and generate increased income to pay for the welfare of Australians rather than being a huge financial drain.

Shadow, you say "White farmers trying to flee" where have these people fled to? Are they in a refugee camp? If they are legitamate refugees then we have a humanitarian responsibility to do what we can for them. Of course if we are to take these good folk as refugees, or migrants, we will need to carefully check their criminal past to ensure they are not murderous cut throats who engaged in despicable acts of violence under the apartheid regime.

This whole issue seems to centre around land reform in these countries. Rightly or wrongly, land reform is a internal matter for South Africa and Zimbabwe, the two countries you mentioned . As I understand it, the democratically elected government of South Africa has popular support from the majority of citizens to instigate land reform. White farmers, according to some, are holding vast tracks of land illegally acquired, and they want it back. Its not a matter for the Australian government to be involved with, even if Dud Dutton wants to kick his racists can!

I have not contributed much to this thread
It has racism as a theme, yes we should take in those who need protection, race/faith politics no barrier
But bet your house the poster would not agree if it was Muslims, say those very near us who dare not return to their country
See my point? in the expectation white south African migrants/refugees will be conservatives some want selective migration
While standing firmly against it for those races or faiths they do not want here

Paul,

Often you talk out of your backside, but this time what you utter is the purest manure and racism. Land reform is a internal issue up to a point, so I suppose the issue of land reform in Burma is none our business because their ancestors stole the land illegally from the original inhabitants. Secondly apartheid was in South Africa and not in Zimbabwe, and those that were involved in various crimes were generally not farmers.

Secondly, in Zimbabwe, the vast majority of the value in the land was due to the $Ms plowed into roads, dams buildings etc that enabled high levels of food production from relatively arid land. The proof of this is the total collapse of food production on these lands when the infrastructure was not maintained, (especially on the farms that weren't taken by the black political elite) and the majority of the Zimbabwe population is now unemployed, starving, and has no transport, education or health that it enjoyed while being oppressed.

Considering that the white population has dropped for >300 000 to less than 20 000, where have they all fled to? pretty much all over the world. Half the farmers have gone to Zambia, Mozambique etc where they are running prosperous farms employing and feeding the people. Considering that the war ended in 1980 and those evicted were evicted after 2000 and were essentially the next generation the vast majority bought their farms and stole nothing from anyone.

Shadow, poor comprehension, I never said apartheid was in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), we know it was practised in South Africa, The Ian Smith regime had other things for the black population to cop. My comments are directed towards the situation in South Africa as it is now. You prattle on about racism in my comments, when none exists. Your man Dutton is the racists, only being concerned with a handful of white South Africans, because they are white and have cash, wants them declared European refugees and fast tracked into Australia without joining the so called refugee queue, and without the proper checks being done. The same rules should apply to everyone.

I truly thought we are in fact talking about SOUTH AFRICA, not heard about refugees from that country well aware of the murder of white farmers there

Hi Belly,

Shadow threw in Zimbabwe, I've never been a big fan of South Africa as a country, not a place I would ever have liked to have resided, as a black or a white. The worst excesses of colonialism are manifested there. Now there is turmoil over land ownership, to be expected given the history.

For a couple of hundred years the white colonialists, British and Dutch, did very well out of the place. The colonials had a large subservient black population at their beck and call, to be exploited as they wished. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

I see no problem with Australia taking genuine refugees from South Africa of any colour, but they should not be given any special consideration because of their whitness and wealth, that is what Dutton, and Shadow agrees, tried to do. Now Shadow want to call me, the racists.

Agree Paul in time the shear weight of migration/refugees will be questioned world wide
Until and if changes are made we should look at all races and faiths who need a safe home

Paul,

The confiscation of farms based on the owner's colour is clearly racist, and so are you if you support it. For example, some of the farms in Zimbabwe were purchased by foreigners migrating to Zim after independence and had no ancestors that were in any way linked to the appropriation of land.

Similarly, in SA, most of the land appropriations occurred over a century ago, with the last occurring about 50 years ago. The vast number of farmers today have purchased the farms themselves including a significant number of overseas investors.

For a comparison, imagine the outcry if Chinese investors in Aus farms had their farms confiscated without compensation because they were non white?

The number of White Zim farmers who fled that have been granted refugee status = zero.

Belly,

My point is that if there is an allocation of 20 000 refugee places p.a. in Aus is why can't a certain portion of these be allocated to people fleeing danger that are also not a drain on the community. i.e. South African farmers vs Sudanese gangs.

Shadow, if you purchase stolen goods, be it a TV, a car, or even a farm, well you know what happens. Check the sellers bona-fides before purchase, buyer beware! Often these farms were the result of illegally confiscated land by colonial masters in the nineteenth century.

Refugee is a legitimate reason to take people, so is skilled migration. A persons level of skill/wealth should not be an influencing factor in determining their refugee status. A refugee who flees with nothing more than the shirt on their back, should be given lesser priority than a person with money in the bank. Nothing to do with colour what so ever.

//why can't a certain portion of these be allocated to people fleeing danger that are also not a drain on the community. i.e. South African farmers//

Are you joking? They're descended from the Dutch, Shadow. A notoriously work-shy race of people, your Dutchmen.

Or at least, I assume that to be the case based on the skin colour of the average dole bludger I see in my local Centrelink office. Not all of whom are necessarily descended from the Dutch, obviously, but all white people are basically the same as each other in the same way that all black people and all brown people are basically the same as each other.

Toni, bring in Boar farmers will upset some of the forums more senior old fogies from down at the Rusty Years Retirement Village, you know, the 'Usual Suspects'. They still wear their 1901 uniforms everyday as they sit proudly, but patiently waiting for the return of Lord Kitchener and to hear the call to once more defend the Empire in the name of our gracious Queen..... Victoria!