I agree Individual- The left don't like ScoMo because he isn't Liberal he's Conservative. But sadly Liberalism is the reason we believe we are "free" to exploit the environment in Patrick Deneen's view. Many of the people in the Liberal Party sadly have Economically Liberal Values- Turnbull in theory would perhaps be more dangerous to the natural environment coming from the "small l liberals"/ Free Traders.

Conservative members make up about 40% of the Liberal Party because of the history of the movement since the medieval age. My understanding is Conservatives are the traditional/ monarchy supporters, Free Traders are the business people that obtained power after the industrial revolution- new money vs old money. The left are loosely the ones without money historically- but tradies today are some of the best paid

Overall both Labor and Liberals have eco-cidal policies. The Green's are not an eco party in my view- they are watermelons- Red on the inside- Trotskyists- more concerned about refugees and immigration than the environment. The way the reduce environmental impact is to reduce the number of people in the world. Patrck Deneen says that the reason we are in our current environmental situation is because of our desire to control our environment but mostly policy makers want to create a fix of the same means- a technological fix. He points to the irony of doing the same things and expecting a different result.

To take school children & so openly brainwash them is in my opinion a criminal offense. My monarchist parents sent me to a school which told HRH Prince Robert Menzies that the school votes Liberal. Hopefully the kids today will march in 3 columns down the main street carrying broom-sticks on their shoulders, "Shoot Shortern".

Aidan Quote "The temperature of rocks under Antarctica is a relatively trivial factor. It won't have much effect on the climate, All it means is less warming is required to produce a big use in sea level."

"Researcher Tom Jordan believes the process of melting observed has likely been going on for thousands or maybe even millions of years, but isn’t directly contributing to “ice sheet change”.

BUT he contradicts that statement at the end by saying "We show that even in the ancient continental interior, the underlying geology can have a significant impact on the ice."

Aidan "But the data supports the same conclusion as the theory." You are wrong the climate models that were calibrated to today's 20th century observed records but when they went to the 21st century the results were way off because the data imputed was incorrect.

Aidan "what if there are other things the instruments they are using can't detect

Undetectable things are unlikely to have a big impact, otherwise they'd be easy to detect."

Again to me you are wrong it could be possible that an effect caused by something unknown is blamed on something else.

Belly - Simply go away with your stupid comments, "Goats entrails They for centuries have guided us and we are far from short of goats." GROW UP.

mhaze - Some good points.

ttbn Quote "There is no 'solution' to climate change; the climate will continue changing as it always has. Puny humans didn't cause it, nor can they they 'fix' it."

I think you are wrong with this part "nor can they they 'fix' it." because we are concentrating on HUMANS did it they are not looking at the natural causes.
Volcanoes erupting do more damage than we do, why don't they look at stopping them from erupting. The eruptions are cause by a built up of pressure within the volcano so why not drill or blowout the side of the volcano to relive the pressure, the lava will come out but in a controlled way and no massive explosions that blot out the sun for weeks

Toni Lavis You are nothing but a TROLL, you make outlandish claims without thinking and false statements BUT when you are called out you run away and don't come back to support your claims.
Until you can own your comments you will not in future be acknowledged ( Be good if others who have been trolled by Toni Lavis do the same )

Just a reminder you have failed to answer these.

Toni Lavis On Friday November 16th you posted Quote.

"Why does the Daily Mail bother printing this crap? And why do people accept it as gospel when it's obvious bollocks?"

In response to a media report that said "Nauru's President Baron Waqa told The Australian that life on Nauru is much cheaper, allowing refugees holidays to Fiji, healthcare, free housing and jobs."

I replied to you with this response. "If it is a lie I guarantee it will quickly be called out in the media, or by the refugee advocates if they do you are right, if they do not it is you who is talking crap.
To be reviewed in a few days to determine who is right."

It has now been 14 days and not one article or media release calling out the article as being false or misleading, so it is evident it is you who are wrong.

You conveniently missed this one as well.

Toni Lavis Quote "Bail is a ridiculous and offensive notion"

When it comes to making stupid comments without first thinking about all the implications you get first prize.

1st You don't seem to take into account the notion of innocent until proven guilty.

2nd The prisons and police watch houses would be full in one day if every shoplifter, petty thief etc was locked up till their appointed court date. Any crime where a penalty notice could not be issued.

So how about thinking about it for a while and come back with a more reasoned comment.

Take responsibility for your comments don't just run away, as stated before your credibility now is ZERO, who can believe what you say.

"..but isn’t directly contributing to “ice sheet change”. BUT he contradicts that statement at the end by saying "We show that even in the ancient continental interior, the underlying geology can have a significant impact on the ice."

Melt-water sitting still is an impact without changing ice sheets.
In any case , a constant radioactivity for millenia is not logically causing a rapid change in global ice .