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Why I will never support a selective approach on gun violence
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Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 12 November 2018 5:50:57 PM
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Given that there are at least 400 potential terrorists admitted by authorities in Australia, piles of flowers after an act of terrorism and weasel words from politicians are not going to protect us. Given that these jihadis and would be jihadis have no loyalty to Australia - or any other country - but only to the their clan or family, terror experts are suggesting that the only solution is to deport them, along with their families. And of course, stop all! immigration from Islamic countries.
ANU's Professor Clive Williams has no doubts that deporting whole families of convicted terrorists would open the flood gates of intelligence from families about family members who have become radicalised – and be generally effective from a counterterrorism point of view. But, in a society such as ours increasingly more interested in 'rights’ for our enemies rather than the lives of innocents and our way of life, this cannot be done at the moment, thanks to the sheer ignorance, bastardry and cowardice of our political class. We can only hope for changes in attitude but, in the meantime, a ban on all immigration from Islamic countries is not too much to ask, surely? Posted by ttbn, Monday, 12 November 2018 5:59:41 PM
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Is Mise,
My suggestion was that the first thing police should be taught is to shoot to disable a perpetrator and to only shoot to kill if their life's were threatened. The whole point is - is the life of the police officer threatened - and he has no choice but to shoot at the chest. What we saw on the TV - the police officers could have shot to disable. They were trained to kill. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 12 November 2018 6:05:43 PM
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//In countries where knife use is possibly more prevalent then other forms of non-lethal options have been adopted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtny9yj8u8 In Japan the are called Sasumata. http://inventorspot.com/articles/teachers_expel_school_intruder_twopronged_people_pusher// God bless the Japanese. We could learn a thing or two from them. Have you heard about their 'drunk futons'? When people are being drunk and disorderly, they wrap them up in a big futon and wait until they calm down. One of those ideas that sounds odd at first because you're not used to it, and then you realise just how practical it is. Certainly more practical than attempting to beat people into sobriety, which sadly seems to be the preferred tactic of NSW's finest. http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-pacific-38534288/wrapping-people-in-futons-how-the-japanese-police-confront-violence Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 12 November 2018 6:05:44 PM
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Foxy,
What we saw on TV was a big bloke with a knife trying to kill policemen. I'd have shot him, centre mass (chest area) when he was still no closer than 15 feet and fired two shots at a time (double tap) until he went down. That's how the Australian Government trained me and I see no reason why police shouldn't receive the same training and be encouraged to use it. Shooting to wound is out of fantasy land, except by a rifleman well out of knife range. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 12 November 2018 6:35:37 PM
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Dear runner,
No NathanJ is exhibiting a decent, some may say Christian, sensibility something you know not a bloody jot about. It exactly this kind of crap from you which completely destroys any chance of your anti-abortion Tourettes being taken as any true regard for the 'sanctity of life'. You don't believe in the notion and therefore you don't accept the teachings of your saviour. Dear Hasbeen, Unfortunately I have been tested in that regard and while I am still gutted that I was not able to do more to prevent an officer being stabbed, and that my assessment of the situation was about 5 seconds behind at every count, I did not scarper but rather stayed to assist as best I could. It turned out the assailant had just been released from a mental facility after having a complete psychotic episode two weeks previous when he confronted police with two knives screaming for them to kill him. An under resourced mental health sector saw him released in what looked like a virtual catatonic state to subsequently severely wound a policeman. Do we blame him? The mental facility? Or the politicians who pour all the money into prisons to satisfy mugs like you and let the streets take care of the vast majority of our seriously mentally afflicted? Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 12 November 2018 6:43:11 PM
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Sounds reasonable.
Although why the police don't make better use of their tasers is something of a mystery to me.