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Why I will never support a selective approach on gun violence

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Nathan,

Dumb arse. What do you think WOULD have happened if the police hadn't shot that terrorist (because that's what he was) ? Would he have suddenly realised how evil it was to kill defenceless people (since Islam is a religion of peace) and laid down, like a lion with the lamb ? Or could it have been possible for him to kill all of those police officers, go into the nearest cafe and start butchering everybody inside ?

And yes he was a follower of ISIS, of the fascist notion of a caliphate in Australia. He was a Muslim terrorist. Was his ideology extremist ? No, it was standard Islam ? Yes, it was a fascist fringe ideology of Islam ?

The imams (or Anne Aly) didn't do themselves any favours by inferring that a description of him as a terrorist flowed over to the entire Muslim community, a connection that not too many Australians would have made. But if the imams and Aly want to make the links, it's on their heads.

Nathan: compete dumb arse. But as long as you were nowhere near the scene, your hands are clean and your mind is pure and incredibly virtuous.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 12 November 2018 2:04:58 PM
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Nathan,

Policemen are trained to protect. That's their job. And
in this case that's exactly what the officers were
doing. They behaved professionally and extremely competently.
They did what they had to do - shooting the man only when nothing
else worked. They tried pepper sprays and tasers - they
did not work. No one likes to kill another human being but in
this case the police were left with no other choice. The man
had to be stopped before he could inflict more harm and
kill others.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 12 November 2018 2:25:38 PM
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Dear NathanJ,

You wrote;

“What ever happened to the sanctity of life?”

Quite a reasonable question illustrating a degree of humanity most of the keyboard warriors posting here obviously lack. Hold your head high old chap.

Yes tasers can be very effective in bringing down knife wielding offenders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1186351/Shocking-moment-Police-taser-knife-wielding-man-Hackney.html

And there is no doubt the training in this country has a greater reliance on the use of firearms. From my understanding the usual approach in this state is to have one officer try and use a taser to subdue the knife wielding offender but there will be a second officer standing behind with a decent field of fire. It is accepted that to get within tasering distance they are also within range of a lunge with a knife.

The ultimate judgement lies with the officer with the firearm. If the taser fails to incapacitate for whatever reason and it is followed by imminent threat to his/her partner then lethal force is deployed.

In England a different emphasis is obvious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TFvh6Xps4

In countries where knife use is possibly more prevalent then other forms of non-lethal options have been adopted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtny9yj8u8

In Japan the are called Sasumata.

http://inventorspot.com/articles/teachers_expel_school_intruder_twopronged_people_pusher

So should it be an option in Australia? Why not? Mentally ill people do not deserve to die at the hands of our police if other means are available. We should also think of the impact on officers involved taking someones life.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 12 November 2018 2:48:12 PM
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I am a little confused Nathan. Would you have liked the killer to be clubbed to death slowly. Would that have been more humane? Would you prefer the tax payer support him at 100000 a year in prison and pay thousands to sleazy lawyer who might even of got him off. Of course the policeman was a hero. I doubt you or I would like to face some Islamic maniac waving a knife calling on Allah having just already killed an innocent man. Are you trying to politicise some sad narrative?
Posted by runner, Monday, 12 November 2018 3:02:35 PM
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Is Mise
"The standard iron sights are of the three dot type and made of steel. Both the front and rear sights are dove-tailed into the slide, and can be horizontally drifted to adjust for windage correction".

Sights can be used for sighting which allows the driver to steer the bullet up / down and left/right. There are various locations on the human body which can then be aimed at , delivering the slug to the desired location , at the Police Officer's discretion and selection.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 12 November 2018 3:04:37 PM
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Steele,

Highly commendable, but anyone who is threatened with a knife who lets the attacker get within 15 feet can wind up dead, so why take the risk?
The mentally disturbed can kill just a quickly as the absolute sane.

Golden Rule, if in immediate fear of one's life, kill.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 12 November 2018 3:09:51 PM
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