Wikileaks.

Should we show sympathy for squealers of state secrets, (often beneficial to the public), who squirm in prison cells when caught.

Joshua Adam Schulte , CIA Coder Charged in WikiLeaks Dump Claims He’s Being Tortured in Jail.

Read link… https://www.thedailybeast.com/cia-coder-charged-in-wikileaks-dump-claims-hes-being-tortured-in-prison?ref=author.

On more sensible times, these people would pay the ultimate price for treason. Now they have 'rights'.

//Now they have 'rights'.//

Americans have had the right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment since 1791, when the 8th Amendment was enacted. Last time I checked, they hadn't repealed it.

Schultes complains of prison conditions common to all criminals.

The point could be argued, on remand in prison is bail refused. He has the presumption of innocence.
What he complains of though, is his loss of priveledges; access to his evidence for defence of the charges etc. incl., loss of phone privileges.

However;
*...Prosecutors wrote that the government learned earlier this month that Schulte has been using one or more smuggled cellphones to communicate clandestinely with individuals outside the federal lockup.

An FBI search found multiple contraband cellphones including at least one with significant encryption, about 13 email and social media accounts and other electronic devices, prosecutors said...*

The investigation revealed that he had sent classified information to third parties, including through an encrypted email account, they said.

Prosecutors said Schulte was placed in more restrictive detention conditions on Oct. 1 during the latest probe.

They are not traitors if what they tell us about is truth.
No human ever should be tortured by any one.
IF true it shames that country every bit as much as its actions in the prison in Cuba did

cruel punishment should be allowed if it prevents innocent people from dying or being hurt.

Runner you do know wiki leaks first came to our notice when it released film of innocents being killed/murdered by
America military forces?

The only thing I really know about wikileaks Belly is that Assange was a total hero of the left until he showed up Hilary's corruption and lies. Now they hate him. I suspect I know about as much as you really which is not much at all.

//cruel punishment should be allowed if it prevents innocent people from dying or being hurt.//

Yeah, because nobody that was innocent has ever been hurt by torture...

Two wrongs don't equal a right, and good ends do not justify immoral ends. You have the morals of a barbarian, runner.

Put the suspects on the fire-grid and rack and they soon become guilty.

I am sure if your kids were at risk you would stop your self righteous virtue signaling toni

Toni Lavis Your display of ignorance on this topic is astounding, or your head is buried in the sand to the truth.

1st, Quote "Americans have had the right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment since 1791, when the 8th Amendment was enacted"

You must be joking to think the American Government abides by it, it only abides by it for wealthy and connected people and organizations that can afford high priced lawyers.

There are a lot of constitutional free zones where it does not apply.

There are nearly daily events where police, NSA, CIA and other organizations have illegally spied on citizens.

By there nature whistle blowers are reporting on illegal activities of Government or Organization, notice the term illegal activities, they are breaking the law.

Lets take the illegal shootings and torture of innocent people in Iraq etc you think this is okay and the perpetrators should be allowed to continue doing it?

What about the Panama papers that were leaked you think this should not have happened so rich people and corporations could continue the illegal money activities?

I would like you to name 1 illegal activity that was reported that should not have been and the perpetrators let do what they were doing?

//Lets take the illegal shootings and torture of innocent people in Iraq etc you think this is okay and the perpetrators should be allowed to continue doing it?//

Nope. Not sure why you've got that impression; I'm in favour of the 8th Amendment.

//What about the Panama papers that were leaked you think this should not have happened so rich people and corporations could continue the illegal money activities?//

No, I don't think that either, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the morality of torture.

//I would like you to name 1 illegal activity that was reported that should not have been and the perpetrators let do what they were doing?//

And I'd like you to actually read my comments and then post replies that are in some way relevant to my comments.

What is it, exactly, that you find so troubling about the 8th Amendment?

//I am sure if your kids were at risk you would stop your self righteous virtue signaling toni//

Runner, I think there are probably a lot less people than you imagine who regard opposition to torture as 'virtue signaling'.

Sadism has no place in the administration of justice.

Philip S
" to cruel and unusual punishment since 1791"
French citizens reported suspects to the tribunals for execution in Reign of terrorists. Wikileaks should not use its guillotine to behead the Pentagon. CIA spies with cameras are banned under General G Washington's rules of phish hacking troll-elections. Voting down Hilary was cruel and unusual.

How many of us can remember those pictures in that prison in Cuba?
How many here dare not remember?
Too the pictures from a German concentration camp, Eisenhower demanded the world see those photos.
He [far better man than the present leader] said so no one dare say it never happened
If only today,s America valued men like him

" .... you do know wiki leaks first came to our notice when it released film of innocents being killed/murdered by
America military forces?"

Remind us who these "innocents" were who were "killed/murdered by American military forces".

*…Many experiments have been conducted to show the extraordinary extent to which the information obtained (and retained maybe?) by an observer depends upon the observer's own assumptions and preconceptions…*

Q. Is Schulte better or worse than the crowd average, for disclosing state secrets?

As noted with OLO commenters, the question instantly defaults to a left and right issue.

Q. I'd like to know why it is generally perceived as a left wing trait, to spill State secrets.
Is that a fallacy, especially since the information leaked, is often beneficial to all citizens across the board?

So just maybe, the left/right issue is actually unimportant in this case, and obscures a real cause behind the motivation to spill secrets.

Q. Are the culprits simply motivated to defect loyalty to the State, by an opportune avenue for relieving a need for revenge against an employer, or more altruistically, revenge against a system of Government perceived as controlled by an elite? A conclusion I subscribe to.

Toni Lavis Again you have a closed mind and only see the 8th Amendment,
which is 1 part of the Constitution which is the whole document.

My comment is in relation to that which your 8th amendment depends entirely on.

You should have realized that when I wrote this.
"There are a lot of constitutional free zones where it does not apply."

I did not say there are a lot of free zones where the 8th Amendment does not apply.

"Americans have had the right to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment since 1791, when the 8th Amendment was enacted"

You must be joking to think the American Government abides by it, it only abides by it for wealthy and connected people and organizations that can afford high priced lawyers.

There are a lot of constitutional free zones where it does not apply.

This is cruel and unusual English.

nicknamenick I agree but it is one post most of your posts can be classified as cruel and unusual English.

ttbn you do like to display your lack of knowledge.
Think about that helicopter
Hovering over that van, in a city
Remind your self it was journalists and others not terrorists gunned down'
THINK before posting

Belly,

So you are unable to remind us of instances. You mentioned the 'Cuba jail' because you can't spell the real name. There were no innocents locked up there, including David Hicks who should still be locked up. You talk through you backside, you poor, unfortunate creature.

ttbn well no way around it, you are a dill.
Post lies and things even you should know are untrue.
My spelling is dreadful, school ended at 12 or 13 years of age.
But you wasted any education you ever had.
Now an American, sent to prison, later had a sex change, leaked to Wiki leaks
America still, waited for that groups head to leave that embassy, so they can arrest him
that prison in that Bay
Was horrific,inhuman.
Just to fully inform you, Wiki leaks, forever lost me, when its head leaked to the Russians, stuff that hurt Hillary, to try to protect himself from what in the end [sexual assault] seem to be trumped up charges
ttbn
can you make an effort? to keep your bitter comments to your self?

I am not going to stop commenting on idiot comments made by a nutter like you.

My question is to my self, and in the end this forum
What has become of us
Over the years we have lost good posters, too many of them.
We have very good ones, but some seem intent to live at the bottom of the pond lashing out it pure spite at THEM.
That being any one who thinks differently than them
The only visible defense seems to be to lash out back at them.
Must we be a verbal insult wall for haters
Is there a reward for ignoring them if they endlessly continue to taunt?
If I knew that answer would I be here posting or again in exile?
What impression does this sites trolls give visitors?
hate me! but know my views right or wrong are both my opinion and my right

Man up, Belly and stop moaning about posters you don't like. You are full of your own 'rights’, but deny the rights of others to say things you don't like.

“Is there a reward for ignoring them if they endlessly continue to taunt?” Why would you need a reward? You can ignore as many posters as you wish to ignore. You have permission to ignore me any time you like. I wish you would: half the time your responses are unintelligible. You don't have to defend yourself - or perhaps you just hate any disagreement so much that you have to “lash back”. You are always moaning about 'trolls', but you rise to the bait every time.

“Exile”! That's a good one. It is my understanding that you sooked off because a naughty poster you have never named said things you didn't like. Tough guy you are not. You might even be a perpetual victim. If most of us here threw in the towel every time someone had a go at us, there would be nobody left.

There are no safe places outside of universities, Belly. Are you really the wimp you are portraying yourself as?