Commenting on the Liberals’ loss of Wentworth, ex Tony Abbott adviser, Terry Barnes said that in “rejecting an excellent Liberal candidate in Dave Sharma, the voters of Wentworth have elected a fruitcake instead of buying one at the polling booth cake stall”.

I don't agree that Sharma was anything like an “excellent” choice, but I do agree with the “fruitcake” reference to the new member for Wentworth. A more hollow, loony Left individual, bereft of policies and values pertinent to Australia could not have been created by a Dr. Jekyll.

Anyone who stands for homosexuality, the climate hoax and and trashing basic Liberal principles was a cert to get in. Sharma, a straight family man, never stood a chance. The fact that the people of Wentworth embraced Hewson then Turnbull clearly indicate that a proper Liberal was never going to win. Both these galahs baracked against the Liberals. However, the huge margin Turnbull enjoyed has now been blown away, and there will be a general election in a few months time. As far as the Liberal party is concerned, the loss cannot be taken as a reason to 'listen more to the people’ because the people of Wentworth, with their multi-million dollar houses and insulation from power prizes are not typical of the Australian people, which is why Malcolm Turnbull was always a bad choice for PM.

The people the Liberals need to take notice of are definitely not those in Wentworth

They should listen to the people of Auburn, if they can understand Arabic.

They do have Members of Parliament that could
translate for those who unfortunately can
only speak one language. ;-)

If you want to talk "fruitcake" you don't need to go any further than that monkey of meth, Corny Banana from the so called Australian Conservatives. The bloke got elected on false pretences, pretending to be a Liberal then in a gutless move quit to form his own lunatic party. Why didn't he have the guts to resign parliament and then contest a lower house seat at an election! And let the people decide.
Check out their conga line of fruitloops and wannabes they have lined up for a tilt at the Senate. For example there is Lyle Shelton, a failed member of the god squad and happy clapper, trying to get into peoples ear with his christian fundo nonsense. Pathetic.
Corny couldn't make it to Wentworth, so he sent The Mad Katter instead, where he got half of one percent of the vote. One thing we know for sure is one person in 200 in Wentworth is as crazy as Corny and Bob.

BTW ttbn, what is "power prizes", something you win with your power bill? you have a shot at me over a typo; What do they say, people in glass houses...

Not sure how to say what Liberal principles are except that turkeys need 2 wings, gobbledegook.

The arrival of four cartons of toilet paper at Dutton and Abbotts home seems to say some one is worried about Wentworth

personally I see no difference in having Turnbull or Phelps. They are of the same paddock.

The prestigious seat of Wentworth - an electorate that
has been a safe seat for the Liberal Party since
approx. 1944, has now lost its majority in the House
of Reps.

Dr Kerryn Phelps - a well known and highly respected
member of the community, an Independent, and the former
head of the Australian Medical Association has been
declared the winner. And rightly so. A very capable
professional - who'll put the interests of her electorate
first.

Commentators tell us that the Liberals' desperate
campaigning in the weeks leading up to the election
clearly did not help. We're told that the ill-conceived
announcement by Scott Morrison that the government may
move Australia's embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to
Jerusalem in an attempt to win over the 12.5% of
Jewish voters in the electorate appears to have backfired.

However - the major issue that weighed on the minds of
Wentworth voters was the dumping of their much loved
local member - Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister, and a
perceived capturing of the Liberal Party by extremists,
lead by former PM - Tony Abbott.

It will be interesting to see what the future holds for
that man, and his role in the instability that has all but
crippled the Australian government.

Mr Abbott's seat of Warringah may well be the next to go
in the next election. There may also be recriminations
against the extreme right of the party - led by figures
like - Mr Abbott, Peter Dutton, Eric Abetz, Kevin Andrews,
Zed Seselja and Alex Hawke - to mention just a few.

For now though, the Morrison government has to rely on
crossbench MPs to retain power and guarantee supply (and cash).

Will an election be called sooner than later?
Time will tell.

Hi Foxy,

A government that has to rely on the vote of 'The Mad Katter' to stay in office, says it all.

Well I'm against a hung parliament , if Hilary can go to jail then that's fair enough.

The people the Liberals need to take notice of are definitely not those in Wentworth
ttbn,
cheers for that. I've been waiting for a long time for somone else to think like that.

is Mise,
leave Sunnyvale out of this.

Paul,

If I could, I would present you with a prize for spotting the typo; price would be no object.

I had a laugh this morning at Katter's 0.50% of the vote. He did beat Fred Nile's candidate though: he/she got 0.00%. A look at the list of other unsuccessful candidates revealed that there are a lot of fruitcakes in Wentworth.

I don't know why Cory Bernadi did what he did. I'll bet that you would have done the same, rather than go through the rigamarole that you think he should have. You won't remember this in five minutes time, but the AC are interested only in the senate because they don't have any money to do anything else. A straightforward, practical thing to do, I think. If you had a look at their intentions, you wouldn't have to carry on as though I were Bernardi's keeper. I have never met the man, and I don't intend to. He is just a politician who happens to be the closest to my political stance. He is not a “so called” conservative, either. And, I don't think a Green like you has a leg to stand on calling AC candidates names. If you want the name of another fruitcake, you demented leader is one.

I notice that the Green vote in Wenworth was under 9% - as usual.

A hung parliament is no big deal. Australia is one of very few countries that have governments with an outright majority. Most places couldn't remember if they ever had one. Gillard managed to get support, so will Morrison, even though his performance so far suggests that he doesn't deserve it.

//I notice that the Green vote in Wenworth was under 9% - as usual.//

Get a reality check sunshine. The vote was exactly what we wanted. It shows you don't understand politics at all ttbn. Then you are a claimed member of the Corny Banana party are you not. Or are you back tracking on that as well.
Both the Green and Labor votes were down 6% each, but the independent vote was up 30%. The Liberal vote down 20%, a perfect result.

BTW; I'm glad to see the politics of a gutless charlatan are what you say are the closest to yours. Good choice in Corny Banana.

Wow, you're one political sleuth ttbn "He did beat Fred Nile's candidate though: he/she got 0.00%" Not bad considering the Rev Fred didn't run a candidate.
I ask again where was the Corny man? To scared to stand like their fearless leader.

Belly, isn't it good to watch the Conservatives sugar coat a dogs turd of a result in Wentworth so they can swallow it.

So the Greens enjoy failure. You are a waste of space. I tell you why AC didn't field a candidate,but you still keep yapping about it.

You are either a moron or, more likely, addicted to alcohol or illicit drugs. No matter what your problem is, you have reached a stage where you have forfeited the right to be taken seriously. I pity you.

Paul it sure is, however in truth they seem to do little other than that all the time.
Trump like to claim this flogging meant nothing

The residents of Wentworth have a better economic status than most Australians. That better economic status probably is accompanied by a better education. The result of the election shows it. They are thinking people with good educations.

DavidF,

It depends on what you mean by education. The elitist Left is quite sure that it is only 'uneducated’ people who don't agree with them, educated meaning a university education. However, it is quite clear that the 'education’ now provided by tertiary institutions is political brainwashing at the expense of enlightenment and free thinking; political instruction that has nothing to do with the degrees students signed up for to enhance their employment opportunities. Common sense and logic, and the ability to think for oneself, are not on the syllabus.

As a result, we have thousands of unemployable, activist ratbags turned out who are embarrassingly unable to contribute to the economy and good governance of the country. I guess there would be a very high percentage of that sort of 'education' in Wentworth.

I haven't bothered to follow this, but I was just wondering what the first preference vote looked like.

Does anyone know?

The electorate in Wentworth is predominantly
made up of professionals,
high earners, high-income people -
who can afford to live in this very expensive area -
and as such - being in the higher - paid professions,
that require both
knowledge and experience, and being able to hold positions based
on merit, their education speaks for itself.

Hasbeen,

The last voting figures I saw there was a 3% difference in the two party preferences between Phelps and Sharma. Whatever the end result, the 17% margin the party-wrecker had has well and truly gone. If they put Sharma up in the imminent general election, they might well regain the seat, despite the 'educated' Wentworthians some, of whom were 'uneducated' enough to leave Sharma with a respectable showing.

Apparently the confusion lies in errors being made
with the wrong columns being counted. The AEC computers
are now checking thoroughly - and it appears that there's
even more votes coming through for Dr Phelps.

Ha ttbn, a very good campaign can be run with $30k and volunteers. Isn't Cornball able to raise a lousy 30 peanuts, well how many would volunteer, zero. Are not the conservatives supposed to be the "smart money" people? Electoral funding would see most of that returned, providing you score 4% of the primary vote. Now that would be a big ask for the Cornball party. And they could have done a preference swap with The Mad Katter party then one of you would have 2 votes. How is the Fred Nile vote going old chum.

The party wrecker? I didn't realise Tony Abbott was the previous member for Wentworth

The new member from Wentworth is a compassionate, scientifically knowledgeable person with administrative ability. She is not a person appreciated by those who haven't left the Dark Ages. She is a cut above most parliamentarians and even most prime ministers. She is aware that not dealing with climate change shows disregard for the future. I have nine descendants, and they may produce more. I think of their future. Those living in the Dark Ages are suspicious of knowledge, science and compassion. They seem to think knowledge, science and compassion are the property of the leftist elite. They are giving the leftist elite a good name. Some people glorify ignorance. They fear the search for knowledge in tertiary institutions. They call education brain-washing. If there are too many of them they elect more troglodytes like Hanson and Bernardi, and the country becomes third-rate.

Alright I've read enough.
Hasbeen asked a very valid and telling question and because I know the answer it's annoying that the bleating left, having the most to say didn't answer it, but continued talking rubbish.
Now a truth, that'll put you left loony's back in your box.
I haven't checked because I don't care, but a friend emailed me a telling story with graphs and words and everything.
The point was to inform me that if it was not for this BS called preferences, the Liberal candidate was a clear and decisive winner.
As I said, I couldn't care less, I vote independents, I used to vote libs till I realised libs and labour are one big happy family, so now I like to throw the cat amongst the pidgeons.
I'm not the only one, why do you think Trump got in, I love him, not for what he's doing or not doing, but because he ousted those arseholes from the biulderberg group, Rothschilds and their mates, and in doing so taken the keys to the safe off them.
I hope the next elections dilute further the powers of the big two and see them have to negotiate with the independents.
As the mantra goes, 'That'll keep the bastards honest'.
So the queer did not WIN the seat of Wentworth, last time I looked, preferences did.
She may still win, more's the pity.
As for you people who generalise about only people with a uni education should be in govt.
Your as blind and bent as the rest of em'.
Your supposed to be promoting someone who displays a good amount of maturity and common sense and NO emotions.
You idiots, you want to know why women aren't equal to men and therefore should NOT be in high level jobs, let alone parliament.
They are by nature EMOTIONAL!
Such a person MUST NOT be relied upon to make life decisions, for and about other people.
Anyway, just wanted to set the record straight, if she does win Wentworth, as long as you know, it wasn't her but preferences.

David, I don't know you but already what I know of you via your post, you're a moron.
Do you realise that for you to say the things you've said about this queer, (you see I can say that because she said it) you must have had intimate and close contact with said person for many years, otherwise you are lying or making it up.
You see this is what I have been talking about, your comments of praise are emotionally driven, this new role she is attempting to covet is just another con-job.
She has absolutely no experience and nothing to offer in this position she alleges to be capable of let alone actually come up to the bar.
People far more educated and worldly than her have demonstrated that they are incapable of making any salient decisions.
By her past demeanor and what I've seen of her and her capabilities, she will not disappoint me in being just another noisy woman with nothing to offer of 'real' substance or positive change for the better.
Just wait and see, we'll get all the usual bluster and BS that is standard for the job so as to keep her profile 'out there', but she will DO NOTHING!

David F,

Phelps, like many other lefties, is not bright enough to realise that NONE of the the things predicted by the climate alarmists have ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

With persistent regularity, someone—normally from The Guardian or the ABC, predicts the imminent destruction of the planet. What’s more, they have this uncanny fondness for asserting that the next ten years, in particular, will be critical.

They’ve been making this type of apocalyptic prediction for the planet being in its last days for at least the last thirty years, and still the penny hasn't dropped with all you superior types. You are just like the Catholics in the old days, before they could read or had access to Bibles. They had to believe everything the priests said. Your priests are money-grubbing junk scientists and professional liars.

Note that the green-Left contingent of the Liberal party is calling for more of other people's to be spent on the climate fraud following the Wentworth defeat. They have also had the common sense educated out of them. They think what is good for Wentworth is good for the rest of Australia. Malcolm Turnbull, also a highly educated type, thought the same thing.

Her sexuality is neither a qualification nor a disqualification. A good person has been elected. Live with it.

Paul Foxy, this thread was lost the day before it was posted
the very thought that this government was not truly shaken by the out come is mad
My toilet paper snear may well be fact
If some would only consider their posts here it would in my view show some symptoms that should concern true Liberals
1 lie, say we did not want it any way
2 throw insults unfounded and false at every one
3 blame every one else pretend other number of votes is more telling than the BIGGEST swing in a Liberal seat in a long time

Dr Kerryn Phelps is a highly respected medical practitioner
and politician.

She was the first woman to be elected President
of the Australian Medical Association. She was awarded the
Centenary Medal for Services to health and medicine. In 2011
she was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia for her
service to medicine, particularly through leadership roles
with the AMA, education, and community health, and as a
GP.

She is a Conjoint Professor in the National Institute of
Complementary Medicine at the Western Sydney University. She
was elected to the Council of the City of Sydney - 2016
and then appointed as Deputy Lord Mayor of the Council.

She resigned as Deputy in 2017 and is now an Independent
politician. She is very well known, and respected and brings
her high standards to everything she undertakes.

Name calling and attempts at trying to demean this lady -
I find truly abhorrent and would really question the mental,
ethical, and moral status and capacities -
of anyone that takes part in those activities.

ALTRAV,

David F., has been a regular contributor to this forum.
He's an American, who met his wife at Oxford
University in the UK and then moved to Australia. David
lives in Queensland and has added much to the discussions
on the forum. David's in his nineties and is a very highly
respected and much loved member here.

Your calling him a "moron," that says a great deal about you.
And frankly makes me cringe.
Words fail me at this juncture.

'The prestigious seat of Wentworth '

come on Foxy why is any Wentworth more 'prestigious' than outback Queensland or WA. Really is snobbery. Wentworth had enough of the swamp to give Turnbull 60% plus of the vote. Shows many obviously are brats whose parents have spoilt them rotten. Many of them who have never payed a bill in their life now support the gw fraud.

people of Bondi are to dumb even to check Bondi beach whose sea level has not changed for 100 years. But facts would only destroy their dumb little narratives and rob the fraudsters of scamming the people.

runner,

Clearly you know nothing about the electorate of
Wentworth or its voters or why the swing occurred
against the Liberal government.

Then you attack the concern that voters have for
climate change - and obviously the science as well.

You're one of those people who willingly turn their
back on science and rational thinking.

If this anti-scientific attitude became fashionable.
society would rapidly disintegrate, the practice of
medicine would stagnate, so would sanitation engineering,
education and civilisation. Stagnation would inevitably
lead to regress - and then one day sometime in the future
we would have to pick up the pieces and start again to
build a better world.

How do you feel about telephones (in particular mobile
phones), television, the motor car, and efficient public
transport? If you reject science you should be consistent
in your attitudes, reject these products of science.

'How do you feel about telephones (in particular mobile
phones), television, the motor car, and efficient public
transport? '

Oh Foxy I thought it was the gw frausters/alarmist who are against these things. Do you realise you need minerals to build cars, phones, public transport. You really have been dumbed down.

runner,

Clearly, I am no match for your level
of ignorance.

//but a friend emailed me a telling story with graphs and words and everything.// Wow, that's amazing...and everything, what's everything, how to get your rocks off!.

ALTRAV moved up in the world have we, I though you and your mates still communicated with grunts and groans, and beating of chests!
At the 2016 Federal election the first preference votes for Cory Bernardi in South Australia was 2043 or 0.19% of the vote. So what is your dumb arse nonsense about preferences for Kerryn Phelps in Wentworth. You are such a tosser! ttbn still thinks Fred Nile run a candidate that's how well informed he is, he can't even understand the AEC tally chart.

A common trait exhibited by several of the forums 'Usual Suspects', ttbn and ALTRAV, included but not exclusive, is a jealousy of anyone in this world they perceive as being intelligent. In Australian politics its people like Kerryn Phelps and Malcolm Turnbull. These class A drongos get comfort from people they see to be at their level, the dill brains and dopes of politics, Hanson, Bernardi, Katter, etc.

Foxy, What is that religious jackass going on about? runner you amaze me.

runner,

I too was tickled by the "prestigious" electorate of Wentworth, but remember, Foxy copies stuff she gets from the media, mainly the ABC. There is no originality with her. The speil on “Dr Kerryn Phelps is a highly respected medical practitioner and politician”, earlier, looks like it came from a PR release by the woman's electoral team. Note also the stilted stuffy, copywriter splurge:-

“She was the first woman to be elected President
of the Australian Medical Association. She was awarded the
Centenary Medal for Services to health and medicine. In 2011
she was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia for her
service to medicine, particularly through leadership roles
with the AMA, education, and community health, and as a
GP.

She is a Conjoint Professor in the National Institute of
Complementary Medicine at the Western Sydney University. She
was elected to the Council of the City of Sydney - 2016
and then appointed as Deputy Lord Mayor of the Council.

She resigned as Deputy in 2017 and is now an Independent
politician. She is very well known, and respected and brings
her high standards to everything she undertakes”.

The only thing that might be original (it certainly sounds like Foxy the Sanctimonious) was that she finds it “truly abhorrent” that we uneducated ruffians are calling Phelps names, and she is concerned about our “mental, ethical, and moral status and capacities”.

She even formats her posts like newspaper columns.

Apparently Bono, of all people said: “The less you know, the more you believe.” This seems to fit Foxy and her lefty cohorts so well. “They consume ‘media fodder’ like junk food. They don’t question it. They don’t analyse it. They just consume ‘the message’ and accept it as gospel”. (Vanessa de Largie).

ttbn, again, I wish I had your ability to get the message across.
I just can't believe how the left are so stubborn and they say I am ignorant and refuse to see their point of view.
The problem is we have an open mind and have considered all the options and we don't rely on emotions to make decisions.
I've just finished proving my point to Foxy on another topic.
It turns out we were both right, the problem was that she went looking for what she was trying to say, where-as I just had to look at the top of the page, and there it was.
So it is that I call people names because I don't wear fools and waste time/words for no gain or benefit.
It appears you may be right as it seems Foxy gets her info from biased sources.
I mentioned I received information regarding the queer and that if she gets over the line apparently it will be because of preferences and not because she got the actual votes.
It seems that the other guy actually got more votes than the queer.
Typically some other moron steps in, mouth flapping and excrement coming out, but he also could not discredit my info, so that's why I call people like him an idiot because you don't just come out abusing someone unless they have insulted you or they are clearly not in control of their faculties and need to be corrected accordingly and appropriately.
As I have no idea who this new clown is I am happy to put him back in his box.
Anyway, keep up the good work.

Foxy, now, now, My theme is just.
I care not of a mans age, but his intellect, when engaging in a forum.
All that I have said re; what's er face, is well within limits.
If you are going to praise someone based on personal opinion fine, but remember, it's his opinion, just like OLO allows.
So anyone is allowed to question any opinion, it does not automatically mean they are right.
Her qualifications are not in dispute, just her arrogant presumption that she is capable of a job she has never done before, let alone knows anything about.

The thread starting as it did, an attempt to show us the three blind mice may in fact exist, seems doomed
Why post when truth has no value, when silly thoughts are normal.
Right now in reality land, shores never seen by some, the very real pain of this loss, has some concerned still
Quite funny but sad too, that insulting others ability to see the truth, is ignoring a truth, those doing so have the understanding of a three day old road killed possum
Knowing both Dutton ,because of his margin, and Abbott, because of his personality are at grave risk, helps navigate the silliness

Wentworth is not a bellwether seat (we don't have one since Eden Monaro confounded the knowalls), so if the government goes down, it won't have anything to do with a little more than a 100, 000 over-privileged voters in Wentworth.

Turnbull will remain the biggest reason for disenchantment with the Liberals after he trashed the party, and Morrison is doing his best to ensure that the gangster Shorten will be our next PM with all the horror and suffering that will entail. Apart from refusing to do the things that could get the Liberals back on track - slashing immigration, dumping Paris and scrapping subsidies for inefficient renewables NOW, to name a few - he has appointed Turnbull to represent Australia at a conference on oceans or some such. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence should have well and truly distanced himself from a creep who brought his party into dispute.

ALTRAV,

You are doing OK. The Left will always try to denigrate anyone who has opinions they don't approve of. Like all totalitarians, they cannot leave people alone. They are nags and scolds. Foxy is their ringleader here. While most people, including many lefties, have their pet subjects and ignore or just scan topics they have little interest in, she has to pontificate on EVERYTHING, even though she knows little about anything. Nobody can say a thing without Foxy putting her oar in after she has frantically researched ABC or Fairfax.

You are right. Phelps has had no landslide. She will get in with relatively few votes. The last I saw, there was only 3% on 2PP between her and Sharma. Wentworth is no longer a safe seat for anyone; and they have never had a conservative member, so the result has caused a lot of tripe to be uttered about what it means for the government.

It appears now according to some here Wentworth was lost because of Manus detention and detrimental Climate change caused by humans.

I can guarantee that the left supporters of Climate change cannot give any evidence how Climate change caused by human activity is affecting them personally. They believe it because the Media tell them, so it must be true. There are far worse things caused by humans to this Planet than CO2.

The thread never had any links to reality.
It remains a refugee from fact.
Wentworth was lost because of Turnbulls dumping
it had a 17 percent margin.
We know via polls climate change played a roll.
nothing can take the sacking of Turnbull away from the true reason it was lost.the thread has lost what little reason it ever had, as the three blind mice continue to insult and too avoid truth
I leave the thread as no longer worth reading feeble insults from feeble minded people

ttbn,

I'm flattered that you're such an obvious fan.

I did not realise that you are an expert on my life
and how to live it. Please continue while I take
notes.

You may need to get another prescription for your
Know-It-All pills.

Hi Foxy, ttbn is such an expert on the seat of Wentworth he though the Rev Fred Bile was running a candidate and got zero votes. The joke was he didn't have a clue how to read the AEC tally sheet. The Fred Bile mob ran at the general election 2016 and they are always list those from last time, next time so you can see where the swing has occurred.

Dear Paul,

We currently have the situation in Wentworth that
should send a clear message to the government
that voters are unhappy.

Hopefully, the government will get the message.

We now have a highly experienced person elected in Wentworth
a highly qualified professional who's picked up the
necessary skills on the job, and possesses the characteristics
that make for a successful career in politics - such as
initiative, leadership, drive, negotiating ability,
willingness to take risks and persuasiveness , skills that
were acquired through the various roles that her various
jobs have given given - as a GP dealing with a variety of
patients, as President of the AMA, as Sydney Councillor and
Deputy Lord Mayor, and the list goes on - and now as an
Independent politician.

Negotiation has been part and parcel
of her career - and Dr Phelps will certainly be an asset to
our Parliament. A moderate, honest, and intelligent voice.

Foxy,

What I have said about an anonymous poster calling herself Foxy clearly indicates that I'm not a fan. And, I obviously don't have a clue about your life, and I don't care how you live that life. You could be a man, a woman, or a talking galah for all I know. I merely find your posts obnoxious. Nobody, in real life, could talk the crap you do and avoid being smothered.

Hi Toni,

Were you able to pick the "smokies" running in Wentworth? The Liberals tried the lot. Even got the redneck of the north The Mad Katter to throw one in, that was a dud move, he only pulled about 400 votes which if it had gone down to the wire would have made a difference, but not so. Bob will be owed a favour or two for that one. Obviously Labor and the Greens made no secret of where their real support lay. As I said to Belly, Labor couldn't win the seat, a high profile independent was needed, a couple of names were put up, but in the end it went to, Kerryn Phelps who was an excellent candidate, and a winner.

ttbn,

I'm afraid that your actions and behaviour totally contradict
your statements. You seem obsessed with me and you even
admitted that you find my posts "obnoxious" which means
that although you're under no obligation to read them - yet
you obviously do.

My suggestion to you is - divert your
energy to a better use instead of trying to get my attention.
You have to realise that in order for me to take you seriously
I would have to respect your opinion.

cont'd ...

ttbn,

I forgot to add that because you are posting and talking
about me on this forum, it must mean my life is more
interesting than yours.

You are fantasist, Foxy. You really should try to get help, but you have probably been the way you are for too long.

ttbn,

Fantasy is an exercise bicycle for the mind.

Walt Disney said - fantasy and reality
overlap. Dr Seuss agrees and told us that
fantasy is an essential ingredient in living.

I could go on and on - and yes, I have always
been this way.

Great isn't it?

Where would we be without fantasy - it's all part of
imagination, creativity, storytelling,
the learning process - and other non-boring stuff.

ttbn,

Good-night, sleep well - and may you dream about
unicorns and other magical things.

Cheers.

I see that their ABC is already muttering about Phelps not being re-elected at the next election. Latest figures (25/10) show that Sharma had about 10,000 more first preference votes than she did, and she is only about 1,700 ahead with preferences. Not the dream girl she was thought to be. She will need to come up with more than faddish policies to be in Canberra for more than a few months.

SMH this day, read please read, the story about the internal bickering within this governing party.
SEE its warning that no right base exists
read about how,, without changes, Labor will be the default government.

did not want to open a dead thread, but my view a small l Liberal party may emerge is talked of too, worth the read
however ignoring the stark warning/flogging Wentworth was is insanity

Guys, I'd like to think that Wentworth is typical of the most 'thinking' voters in Australia.
I've said before, I voted Libs for as long as I can remember.
After realising that these bastards are laughing at us, I began to vote independents, more in protest than anything else.
I have always known, and stats will confirm, that if it wasn't for preferences, only labour would have run Australia to this very day.
Now I know that with this stupid system of govt THEY manipulate the numbers to suite themselves, so I already knew that by voting indep's, it could strengthen the big boys.
I didn't care, I wanted that 'cat' amongst the pidgeons, just to stuff them around and stop them from getting away with mass robbery.
My vision of govt is that every candidate is simply a representative of the people HE represents.
No parties.
Just a group of men who debate and decide on behalf of their constituents and NOT on bloody PARTY LINES!
I couldn't give a toss whether the queer wins or the wiener wins, I would much prefer a hung parliament, and oh, when I say hung, I mean, HUNG!
Because of preferences, I think the people of Wentworth have been conned or misled.
Having now seen that the wiener would have won easily, has really pissed them off.
For my part I would much prefer a govt that does nothing all day, because they have been doing that for years.
Maybe one day we will get what I suggest, a parliament comprised of ALL independents!
Now that's a much more equitable govt.

ALTRAV,

There is some small satisfaction in denying the major parties the $2.70 they get for each first preference too, I'm suppose. Very small, unless a lot of voters do it:)

Nothing like a pair of Grumpy Old Men, down on the world, cynical to the core and past their use by date, if they ever had a usefulness. Me thinks Nursy should give you your nighty night pill, put you to bed, tuck you in, and off to La La Land you go.

Paul, so, it sounds like you actually subscribe to the antics of these bastards in Canberra.
You can't convince me that they don't ALL need locking up, and that's only after they've all had a good 'flogging'.
So do you feel they are doing a good job or not?
The general mood of the public is that they're ALL bent and fleecing money off us left, right and centre.
I, and millions like me, must be missing something, so if you could explain how these guys are helping us.

ALTRAV,

He doesn't subscribe to anything. His posts become more hysterical each time he sprays Green muck. He belongs to the same dead beat Leftist cabal as Foxy, Steeleredux and Belly. There are people of the Left here who can say what they have to say calmly and without malice. The gang of four are ranters who are impossible to deal with. The sneer and the put down is all they are good at.

ttbn,

More labelling and attacks.

Shame on you. Obviously you have no sense of
decency.

And you have neither sense nor decency. Labels are not wrong just because you don't like them. You and the other loons mentioned are one reason why more people don't start threads. They are not prepared to be attacked by gobshites like you and your gang. It's a good thing some of us don't think enough of you to be put off.

ttbn,

What you think of me or anyone else is totally irrelevant
to this forum. As well as to any of us.
If you don't like what is being
written or said - you don't have to read it.

And yet despite what you say - your actions speak volumes.
You just can't seem to stop with your labelling, insults,
and attacks. That to all of us - indicates that we must
upset you very much for you to behave in this irrational
way. Practice what you preach - for the sake of your own
sanity and if you find us so dreadful - simply stay away.
Otherwise you're heading for a breakdown. Your behaviour
is becoming stranger and stranger - and that's not good
for you. You display all the psychological signs of a
highly disturbed person.

What can we do to help you?

The arrogance that makes you think speak for anyone else is mind boggling. Your clumsy attempts at amateur psychology are ridiculous. You don't like what I say, but you keep on reading it and sounding off about like it a spoilt brat.

You think I should “stay away”. Dream on, sister. That’s not going to happen. You are the one who needs take a break and sort yourself out. Perhaps a shelter where there are no men to suss out your manias.

No matter what I say, you will keep coming back, like a ratty teenager, and I can't be bothered with your childish tantrums any longer. You and your nutty little gang live in a world of your own; and that's where you belong.

Foxy, maybe I could try to put my oar in.
I think I understand those of your lean and also ttbn.
I am slowly noting that one trait seems prevalent in each side's stance.
Your stance is more of one based on emotion, such as 'doing the right thing'.
ttbn's is more about the practical and 'real' world, not one based on emotion, such as 'the way things should be or could be', but the way they 'are'.
I'm only commenting on this because I sometimes feel empathetic to those who do not share your views and suggestions.
I know I take a more aggressive stance because, even though it means I don't agree with my detractors, I find that what I say is challenged on emotional grounds and not on the grounds of what is actually going on out there, maybe because it is not a pretty picture and like yourself, you don't want to hear it or believe it.
I think what frustrates those of us like ttbn, is that we are being asked to accept something we know to be untrue.
This is why I and others push so hard to have PC not just removed, but destroyed.
I know you would like everyone to like each other and not say nasty things, but even in a room full of the kindest people on Earth, we can still discriminate in that we can still line them up in order of best to worst.
All we have done is moved the bar, and so we come back to where we were in the beginning.
The ones at the low end will still be treated the same as before, so we will never be rid of discrimination, only change it's level of perception.
I gave the example where upsetting someone is just part of life.
Telling someone a loved one has died in a car crash is one of the most upsetting things.
Telling someone they are 'fat' or obese is offensive, but yet it has to be done for whatever reason.
Anyway it's just a 'work in progress'.

ttbn,

The negative feedback that I experience from you is
a good thing. Here's why:

Negative feedback will help me to spot things that either
I did not see coming or did not consider. Therefore it
will help me to rectify it in the future. I'm going to
embrace your comments as a way to learn and improve.

ALTRAV,

Your concern is noted and deeply appreciated.

I have made an effort even posting in this authors threads, but gee fellas hang on you will not agree with Foxy or me but you do not get the right to insult her endlessly for having a different opinion.
Both posters claim they represent the right side of every conversation, a truth needs addressing.
you get it wrong too, and stop the verbal bashing it is without reason or taste
see you in another thread