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Democrats Soft underbelly or Future of Democracy?

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individual,
>Exposed by worse liars you mean ?
No I don't. Though the American media are far from perfect, AIUI they're more committed to accuracy than the Australian media - and when their errors are exposed they don't keep repeating them and falsely accuse the people telling the truth of "fake news".\

>The swamp of Australia is it's public service & its bureaucrats. It needs draining & culling.
A frequently heard accusation, but a baseless one. Governments like slimming down the public service, but it's a false economy if (as usually happens) the work ends up having to be done by contractors and consultants at twice the price.

>It is beyonf me how some bureaucrats can earn hundreds of thousands a year more than the PM.
But how many do? And of those who do, is their pay rate performance related?
(Actual answers only please; your speculation is worthless)

>Little Councils of 2000 population have CEO's on $400 grand +.
Really? Which ones?

> it is nothing short of criminal when women bleat sexual abuse 30 years after they claim it happened.
The time elapsed doesn't alter the criminality. If the allegations are true then those women have done nothing wrong and the crime is entirely the fault of the accused. If the allegations are false then either the accusers are mistaken (which could credibly be the case for a single allegation, but not for so many IMO) or they're lying (which would be criminal).

I don't know who's telling the truth, but I think it's wrong to pass judgement before the evidence is heard.

>And, isn't it uncanny how the accused always have a higher position... AND aren't short of a quid or two.
No it isn't. Because were they not in that position: firstly fewer of the accusers would consider it worth the trouble of bringing those accusations forward, and secondly because it would not be so newsworthy if they did.

>I'm still waiting for a handicapped pensioner to be accused of indecent assault 30 years after the fact.
Not handicapped, but Rolf Harris was 80.

(tbc)
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 7:21:49 PM
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individual (continued)

>Talking about liars, everyone of our past PMs' promised things but never delivered . All bloody liars eh ?
Aye, though some have lied more than others. Tony Abbott was the worst IMO.

>I recall Hawkie telling us that by 1992 no australian child shall/will live in poverty.
'Twas "by 1990..." so he was still in office when he failed to meet that pledge, and he copped a lot of flak for it.

> Another fib
To be fair, he did sincerely mean it, and he expanded the social security system to try to fulfil that promise, but that turned out not to be sufficient.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 7:22:49 PM
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Really? Which ones?
Aidan,
You don't really mean that do you ? Are you trying to tell us you doubt this happening ?
Start looking up Qld LG for a start. You should know it is against the Law to name people/outfits in such circumstances. It however is not illegal to look up the websites of Councils & from there follow Facebook where these facts are seeping out.

Try Customs, Judges, Uni Chancellors, ABC managing Directors, ATO Commissioner etc. Again look up Public Service Salaries.
Contractors are already brought in at huge cost to do the work Public Servants are supposed to do.
Rolf Harris was a celebrity with a quid or two. A worthwhile target for any opportunist.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 9:03:29 PM
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Off subject but must be said.
We in the western world like to talk about the treatment of women in the Islamic world.
Like? we love to point out the wrongness of a whole faith to half its members.
We can serve up horror stories even talk about mothers who pick the sons wife, then use her as a slave.
We quite rightly demand that faith come in to the modern era.
BUT not just in these pages but in Trumps America, that mans support team, we? openly use hate speech against women!
Say if purely based on the trauma of the event they do not talk of RAPE, that if they do they lie! half of this planets population are female, they are not disposable items, they are not all liers they matter or not one of us does
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 October 2018 7:06:22 AM
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the accusers of Kavanaugh have been shown to be as bigger liars as Hilary. Why aren't they in gaol?
Posted by runner, Thursday, 4 October 2018 11:59:36 AM
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runner quote "Why aren't they in gaol?" Same reason Juliar Gillard is not in jail, prosecution done by prosecutors appointed by politicians, senior police who can stop investigation are appointed by politicians.

We do not have an independent judiciary or police service.
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 4 October 2018 4:11:55 PM
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