Just saw a study by the German ADAC, the equivalent of the US AAA.

They have produced CO2 emission figures for electric cars, compared to petrol, gas [LPG] & diesel.

They found that an electric medium sedan can produce less emissions of CO2, provided it reaches 585,000 kilometres, on the original battery pack. That is the breakeven point including all factors including manufacture & disposal/recycling.

A small electric car reaches its breakeven point at 150,000 kilometres. Surprisingly diesel cars had least total emissions, [except for particle emissions I presume] of all, to the normal useful life.

As I believe the saving of CO2 emissions is utterly useless & unnecessary I find this merely interesting. Unfortunately they did not give the total cost of ownership for the useful life of either, something I would find much more interesting. Nor did they give the likelihood of those distances being achieved in real life.

Hasbeen liked the story and as you know I will never agree controlling emissions is not worth while.
Wounder how the whale oil users felt about coal? or petroleum?
Shame us who conspire to tell lies about the climate have found a way to make the ice at both poles melt

In that case Belly, I wonder why the North West Passage did not open this year, & claimed a few ships that tried it?

Hell even NASA have admitted the planet has cooled over the last 4 years.

However that has nothing to do with the fact that electric cars are just another con job, & don't do what they are claimed to do. Another failure of green bulldust to be added to ethanol in petrol, wind & solar power generation. None save any CO2 if that is what they are supposed to be doing.

The last info I saw had electric car batteries lasting 10 years, so half a million kilometres is not likely on one battery. However, everything we hear about CO2 and climate change is, as you say, a bloody lie, so their figures on anything don't mean much.

Trains, Planes & Automobiles & now rockets as well. I remember when there was quite a stir about the Concorde damaging the ozone layer as apparently do rockets. Haven't heard any reports of the ozone layer being like a swiss cheese by now. Satellite after satellite, rockets left, right & centre. So, what's happening with the ozone layer ? Must be ok because some people make a lot of money out of satellites & most drivers these days prefer a satellite guided robot telling them where to turn because they haven't learnt to read the road signs. Nah, when it's convenient & profitable then any pollution is miraculously ok.

Dear Hasbeen,

Hardly a new study mate. It was published over 6 months ago and pretty roundly condemned for some pretty shonky assumptions.

Here is a breakdown of the figures from Renew Economy. There are other reviews I can link to.
http://reneweconomy.com.au/german-car-owners-report-ev-emissions-garbage-95879/

But what I don't get is why this would be bothering you? You have been a trenchant disbeliever of the facts of global warming. Why does it matter to you if someone wants to go and buy and electric car? If the price continues to go down they will be far more economical, quiet, lack little in performance and pump out zero emissions if charged from renewable resources.

Steely why do you people talk so much garbage.

Renewables excluding hydro currently produce 3.2% of the worlds power, & that most variably & unreliably.

There is not enough money in the entire system to build the capacity to generate enough power to charge electric cars, let alone do it reliably at a time when it is likely to be required.

I have absolutely no problem with idiots wasting their money in any way they wish, on one condition. The tax payer is not required to subsidise their foolishness. If electric cars are no longer given subsidies & their fuel generation & distribution is funded entirely by those electric car owners, I have no complaint.

When the whole activity is driven, like alternate power generation, by shysters, I will knock it at every turn.

SR,

I'm puzzled, given that most electricity is generated from fossil fuels, the power driving electric cars is largely fossil fuel generated, and given the losses in generating, transmitting power and battery losses for electric cars let alone the higher power consumption in building them it is an open secret that electric vehicles lead to more CO2 emissions than petrol driven cars.

Of course, in France with 80% nuclear driven generation this figure would probably move in the other direction.

Until Aus moves to CO2 free baseload, electric cars will be more about virtue signalling than emission reduction.

Do we all understand we yes me too can get it wrong? and do we all know on both sides of this debate teams of shonky experts are toiling away putting lies in front of us.
We know, unless our information comes from the latest Marvel comic book, some thing is taking place.
Fires in the arctic circle, ice melting at both ends, extreme heat/cold.
Maybe we can ask why is the climate changing but surely not demand that it is not.
We hear the left conspiracy theory about one world and climate change being a tool they use.
Any chance the other side can be talked about
Why are some, after reading that comic book and little if any thing else on the subject convinced only their view matters?

The production of green technology is an emission catalyst, worse than fossil fuel.
frivolous industries/activities are up there among the worst offenders.

Belly mate, that is utter garbage.

You have to get your head out of those propaganda publications if you want to know the facts, & get to the truth.

Don't trust anything with a green tinge, or a left leaning slant, they will feed you bulldust, after all they require millions of useful idiots to get their destructive ideas in force. Just a quick look at the green/left controlled ABC should convince any fair minded person of this.

Hasbeen please! my thoughts are based on well researched science.yours mate seem to be based on the print your fish and chips came in.
Good to see both you and Shadow Minister about had not seen you for a while.
if our intention is to move with the times Nuclear power is the future of power.
While we wait for common sense to let that happen fake figures about clean energy is changing nothing

Why not put alternators into Gymns ? That way the Lefties could actually prove their alternative green energy by powering their own yuppy toys & Latte boilers.

Silicon melts at around 3000 Degrees Celcius. That's a lot of wasted energy.

Belly,

I am still lurkin', however, given my new job I have a lot less time to OLO.

However, I am in furious agreement that until low emissions baseload power is generated electric cars are more about virtue signalling than emissions reduction.

good to see you are busy, miss going to work, but we will differ forever on this but still think our power should be nuclear not coal

Belly,

Nuclear is the lowest emission baseload, which I heartily agree, but there is still space for HELE (high-efficiency low emission) coal plants that would emit half the CO2 per kWhr generated compared to existing plants.

Shadow Minister if we read the polling done and done again on the subject of coal it will show even some conservative voters want to end its use.
Doe,s not make it right, if we are to continue it will be in the form you mention.
Nuclear got a bum wrap after Russia's jerry built and run one did what it was built to do fail.
Japan? strange people, they knew they had every chance of what happened happening,
Nuclear now but make it the very best