“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

I believe that Belly is projecting his own feelings onto other people. It's not as though he is talking about extremists or terrorists, or other really bad people: he says “We Need Some one to hate, dislike!” He says WE, but he is really referring to himself. Psychology 101.

Ttbn- Well the socialists have been fighting a bitter war for a hundred years. No wonder they feel hateful and bitter.

CM and partner in the mud throwing I may have found your ancestors,a goggle search of the opening of the Sydney harbor bridge will bring to light the *new gard* a group of right wing extremists who hated Labor/workers/and loved England, they had existed and violently attacked workers meetings and such for some time before their leader rode on to the opening of the bridge and cut the ribbon in the name of the King! maybe we bought our need to hate out of Africa with us, so we need not feel guilty about stealing the next tribes women and trade goods? now, it is my view, not a taunt,any one who brands me socialist because I hold views that call for care for those who cannot do so for themselves is? rather like southern hill billy Americans who while on aid, think Trump is a savior! they at least can blame lack education,Socialism by the way is a failure,just as extreme capitalism is

To Belly through the chair-

Hate crimes and reference to Hate can perhaps be traced back to the UN CCPR which was proposed in 1945 finalized in 1966 and ratified by some countries after this. The formation of the CCPR and Article 20 (Hate crimes) appears to have been the source of much contention between nations. It was not ratified by the US until 1992 and with caveats due to concern that it could be used to undermine free speech and democracy. From memory it was the communist Russian state at the time that pushed the Hate policies- so this is the link between Socialism and Hate accusations. Accusations of Hate can often be seen as Political Correctness being used to attack Free Speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights

There is no "Convention on Human Rights" from memory but there is a Declaration of Human Rights based on the French- Rights of Man and the Citizen. Human Rights refers to a bundle of UN conventions including the contentious CCPR and CCPR Article 20 (Hate Crimes). A number of socialist groups seem to push Hate crimes periodically.

Of note- debate over "Same Sex Marriage" has been influenced by the "CCPR"- some say illegitimately.

My general belief is that law should be "bottom up" rather than "top down"- hence it's concerning that the UN can reach into nations and control citizens. The UN seems to pose similar issues that global companies pose- and a disenfranchisement of the people.

Belly said 1- "rather like southern hill billy Americans who while on aid, think Trump is a savior! they at least can blame lack education"

Answer 1-

Yes there was a TED Talk that said that "racism" was linked to intelligence, education, and proximity to other races. I think they may have misinterpreted the data.


Belly said 2- " I hold views that call for care for those who cannot do so for themselves"

Answer 2-

Everyone needs "caring for" once in a while, but the source of the care needs to be proximate to the cared. You can't help everyone. Some will beat you with your help. (See Rebecca Sommer- UN Worker) Also- give a rod not a fish. Balance between care and responsibility.

Belly said 3- "Socialism by the way is a failure,just as extreme capitalism is"

Answer 3- I tend to agree. Both are Globalist systems- I prefer Localist.

Some of the comments were directed at Foxy perhaps. But Socially Progressive groups have become a dirty word.

Thanks for your feedback Belly.