Yes we do! that person next door looks a bit shifty,shopkeeper from that country just smiled at me! what is he up to? from the anti Chinese riots at Lamming flats gold fields to today's fear of difference we Aussies have had some one,race faith color we dislike even hate why?
We may never know, but we will continue to find new targets, look at one notion, it started out anti Asian, took to our first people now has some of us convinced two point five percent of our country wants to take us over,have to leave, bloke up the road is whistling his dog, keeping an eye on him for sure

The poster speaks for himself only. He is certainly a big hater.

Dear Belly,

I don't think that this is just "us". Looking at various TV
programs, watching films, travelling around the world, living
and working overseas, it appears that we as humans share this
quality - without realising that our behaviour can be off putting at
times for a variety of reasons - whether its mistrust of someone
who is different, envy, or the "tall poppy syndrome."

I'm not a psychologist - so I can't explain why this happens - but
I do know that this trait does exist in many of us.

Of course on the other side of the coin - people can also be
extremely kind and generous, especially in times of crisis and
need, helping their fellow human beings. I guess as long as we
manage to balance things out - we'll be OK.

Gday GY, thanks for letting my thread get a run, and thanks to this sites troll ttbn, who proved my point almost instantly,we in such a community, maybe on such a planet? will always have someone we can, or is it must hate? lets water it down and say dislike.
While my selection of the humor description of the threads we can post was in an effort to raise a grin, it too, was to wonder why it is so? as that long dead Professor often asked, unlike him I have no answer, just the question repeated over and again as it must be, if we are ever going to evolve, however I am concerned about our postal contractor, it seems he may be Greek, and we all know about Greeks bearing gifts

Only the very stupid!

I live in an area where 'ragheads' are sworn at when only appearing on TV. Where fury explodes at the mention of Chinese and they are responsible for everything from the drought to house prices and traffic congestion.

Education would help, the morning after pill administered sixty or seventy years ago would have improved things mightily.

Probably the biggest hatred displayed are the facist who can't accept Donald Trump as President.

runner,

It's Trump supporters
who've been described as "fascists" - especially his
former Chief White House Strategist - Steve Bannon.
Did you not watch him on "Four Corners" on Monday
evening (3rd Sept 2018). He defended Trump greatly.

yea I know its hard for you to understand Foxy but we are in an upside down world. Antifa who claim to be anti facist are the most violent facist group going around. We even had fools calling Abbott and Dutton far right and the abc middle ground. The university swamp has certainly brainwashed many people. Thankfully some can still think.

runner,

It's a shame you didn't see the interview.

Perhaps you'd understand the labels better and what they mean.
And to whom they should apply. It would help.
Or possibly not.

Groooooan.

Why do people prefer their own kind? It's not a matter of "hate", it's a matter of bonding.

Nobody feels bonded to all humans (Anyone who claims so is expressing their ideals, not their lived truth).

Universalism/Species is too distant and weak, it's emotionally incomprehensible.

So people form bonded groups (and not just Whites, all people do this).

There are many such groupings, but ethnic and racial ones are the most fundamental, as we are biological creatures.

If we could *accept* this and stop fighting against it with utopian fairy-tales, the "hate" would dissipate as nobody would be *imposing* other-groupings onto any group's territory/homeland/neighbourhood.

And yes, Foxy and Toni, I'm aware this was done in the past, blah blah blah. We need to *stop* doing it.

Probably the most childishly hateful thing recently was Donald Trump being banned from attending John McCain's funeral. That's real hate for you. That says it all about the twisted McCain and his family.

Petere you get dangerously close to the truth in that post, hope to see more from you,so I am farcist? as a person who firmly believes Trump rode in to power on the back of his racism? lean some thing every day, we are not, as Foxy pointed out,the only race that needs hate, Alf Garnett, too long ago for some to remember, working class English bigot loved a bloke called Enoch powell, who hated people of color and? Catholics!yes we need someone to *blame* for any thing we dislike, why? any thoughts? maybe it is because we feel insecure about ourselves?

You guys must live in a different Australia than I do because up in the north all the different races and cultures seem to get along pretty well. So well in fact they keep intermarrying.
Perhaps you all need to create the Australia I live in.

Lots of 'us' and 'we' in there but I strongly suspect those lamenting how much 'we' and 'us' hate 'the other' are exempting themselves from the hating 'us' and 'we'.

Otherwise perhaps Foxy and Belly et al could tell us who they hate (now there's a free kick). For some, it does the heart good and swells the ego to point out how 'woke' they are compared to the rest of 'us'. I've always felt it hides a deep-seated fear that they are really much more a part of the 'us/we' than they'd like to admit.

___________________________________________________________

Those who describe Trump and his supporters as 'fascist' either don't understand Trump and his supporters or don't understand fascism... or, as we see here, don't understand either.

Shocker,

We seem to be talking at cross purposes here.

And perhaps I'm not expressing things properly.

Having new migrants arrive makes it difficult for
both the migrants and the locals. There has to be
give and take on both sides. But with time the
migrants, especially the younger generations will
generally take on the attributes of their host
country. History has shown us this happens.

As for sticking to "your own kind," some do, some don't.
We can't generalise. As Big Nana has pointed out -
inter-marriages have existed for a very long time, and
probably will continue to do so. I live in a court where
we have a very wide mix of people - and we all get on very
well. Also our family's medical professionals are
from various backgrounds and are excellent.

mhaze,

I don't hate anyone. And I'm sure that you don't really
either. Hate is such a big word - and such a ghastly one.
It would destroy us both more than a robust argument with anyone
ever could. And I'm sure that we'd not like that to happen. Also I
I'm sure that we would not like to purposely want to hurt anyone.

//Otherwise perhaps Foxy and Belly et al could tell us who they hate//

Kyle Sandilands.

I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna here but
and I've stated this before - perhaps we need to
think about it again. Why is there a tendency on
so many of us as Belly has pointed out to think
that our way is the right way and that other people
who disagree with us are "bad?"

I'm guilty of this as well - I admit. Surely
we can disagree vehemently yet appropriately.
Disagreement must be respectful or the disrespect itself
poisons us more than either side's position in the argument
ever could.

Isn't it more important that we renew dignified and
respectful dialogue with those who disagree with us than that
we keep slavishly congratulating those who have the wisdom to
see things our way?

Just some thoughts.

mhaze,

Ok I've had a re-think there are a few people that I do
"dislike" (rather than "hate"). People who I find quite
abnoxious. Tony Abbott is one of those. But then again
I'm not too crazy about Bill Shorten either.

Foxy "There has to be give and take on both sides."

No, there doesn't.
They are entering our society, not the reverse.
Only they need to adapt.

"especially the younger generations will generally take on the attributes of their host country. History has shown us this happens."

A history primarily of Europeans, *related* peoples. How many times do you need to hear that?

Once we started stretching beyond that, we had serious problems like ambos being attacked, drug trafficking, rampaging thugs, highly organised gang rapes, ISIS jihadis, etc.

But keep praying to your Rainbow Unicorn God. One day, it will all work out. Aaahh.

Shocker,

Seems to me that you need a hug.

BTW - The God that I pray to daily (since my illness)
I'm sure is the same one you do as well.

You could possibly pray to Him more often to be healed,
and made whole.

If it's a concern then the question is, how do you change. Then after that, be the change you want to see in the world.

Three ways to fight against our inner divisiveness. 1). Be humble. If you don't think your God's gift to the world then chances are you won't look down on others either. One way to accomplish this is recognize your own faults and your own mistakes, and to get out of your head the labels idiot, dumb, or stupid. 2). Strive to have compassion. 3). Treat others the way you want to be treated.

There are prbabley other practical ways to get out of the habit of hating someone, but these are what come to mind.

Dear NNS,

Thank You and God Bless.

Hey Big Nana,
It's good to hear a positive side of things.
I hope that we can all learn to accept each other and get along as things change, and somehow keep our Aussie culture intact as well.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you.
Thanks for sharing.

Hey Foxy,
"Having new migrants arrive makes it difficult for
both the migrants and the locals. There has to be
give and take on both sides. But with time the
migrants, especially the younger generations will
generally take on the attributes of their host
country. History has shown us this happens."

I'd go along with the basic premise of that statement; that is until we faced the issue of Islam.

Do you TRULY believe that statement is true of Muslims, generally?
That Australian culture has nothing to fear from Islam?

AC,

Australia has a great deal to fear from fanatics and extremists
no matter who they are.

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

I believe that Belly is projecting his own feelings onto other people. It's not as though he is talking about extremists or terrorists, or other really bad people: he says “We Need Some one to hate, dislike!” He says WE, but he is really referring to himself. Psychology 101.

Ttbn- Well the socialists have been fighting a bitter war for a hundred years. No wonder they feel hateful and bitter.

CM and partner in the mud throwing I may have found your ancestors,a goggle search of the opening of the Sydney harbor bridge will bring to light the *new gard* a group of right wing extremists who hated Labor/workers/and loved England, they had existed and violently attacked workers meetings and such for some time before their leader rode on to the opening of the bridge and cut the ribbon in the name of the King! maybe we bought our need to hate out of Africa with us, so we need not feel guilty about stealing the next tribes women and trade goods? now, it is my view, not a taunt,any one who brands me socialist because I hold views that call for care for those who cannot do so for themselves is? rather like southern hill billy Americans who while on aid, think Trump is a savior! they at least can blame lack education,Socialism by the way is a failure,just as extreme capitalism is

To Belly through the chair-

Hate crimes and reference to Hate can perhaps be traced back to the UN CCPR which was proposed in 1945 finalized in 1966 and ratified by some countries after this. The formation of the CCPR and Article 20 (Hate crimes) appears to have been the source of much contention between nations. It was not ratified by the US until 1992 and with caveats due to concern that it could be used to undermine free speech and democracy. From memory it was the communist Russian state at the time that pushed the Hate policies- so this is the link between Socialism and Hate accusations. Accusations of Hate can often be seen as Political Correctness being used to attack Free Speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights

There is no "Convention on Human Rights" from memory but there is a Declaration of Human Rights based on the French- Rights of Man and the Citizen. Human Rights refers to a bundle of UN conventions including the contentious CCPR and CCPR Article 20 (Hate Crimes). A number of socialist groups seem to push Hate crimes periodically.

Of note- debate over "Same Sex Marriage" has been influenced by the "CCPR"- some say illegitimately.

My general belief is that law should be "bottom up" rather than "top down"- hence it's concerning that the UN can reach into nations and control citizens. The UN seems to pose similar issues that global companies pose- and a disenfranchisement of the people.

Belly said 1- "rather like southern hill billy Americans who while on aid, think Trump is a savior! they at least can blame lack education"

Answer 1-

Yes there was a TED Talk that said that "racism" was linked to intelligence, education, and proximity to other races. I think they may have misinterpreted the data.


Belly said 2- " I hold views that call for care for those who cannot do so for themselves"

Answer 2-

Everyone needs "caring for" once in a while, but the source of the care needs to be proximate to the cared. You can't help everyone. Some will beat you with your help. (See Rebecca Sommer- UN Worker) Also- give a rod not a fish. Balance between care and responsibility.

Belly said 3- "Socialism by the way is a failure,just as extreme capitalism is"

Answer 3- I tend to agree. Both are Globalist systems- I prefer Localist.

Some of the comments were directed at Foxy perhaps. But Socially Progressive groups have become a dirty word.

Thanks for your feedback Belly.

OLO is not real life, folks. If anonymous posters talked some of the twaddle in their everyday lives that they carry on with here, they would be certified - after having their lights punched out, in some cases. If most of us really had anything to contribute to society, would we have time to waste on social media? My excuse is that I'm an old man, with not a lot to do, who enjoys getting the dirty water off his chest and occasionally taking the piss out of people who set themselves up for it. It passes the time. What’s your excuse?

//If most of us really had anything to contribute to society, would we have time to waste on social media?//

Indeed:

http://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/610/253/184.jpg

Why does comedy suck?
- Because real comedy isn't politically correct.

What's the fastest thing on earth?
An Ethiopian with a McDonald's voucher.
- Everyone should know that one.

Nice meme Toni,
It may not be PC but it's not wrong.

//Because real comedy isn't politically correct.//

Real comedy is whatever is funny. It can be offensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWMyjQ4yxsE

Or inoffensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAcsqk9WUpg&t=1s

Well what is to be done! having named myself, even using my lifetime nickname,[Allan Bell] of the small hamlet of Coolongolook, our troll, he is that,continues to insult me and put totally wrong views such as this thread is about my being a hater? any room in the forum rules bout trolling?oh talk to me about low IQ and deep inability to understand but? is it worth it? do we want forever to be the small group at the bottom of the page known for hurling insults at one another,? this thread has been from post one,, about lessor people acting poorly, assaulting our first responders, YES I FEEL WEAK for letting ttbn get under my skin,am I then wrong? or is it the troll?

CM look on returning here I took certain vows, to my self, promising me I would not respond to trollying,found you here and from post one saw a bright mind in you and that we would not always agree, ok so far? think with me here how in the hell! did you find in this thread a reason to bring the crimson UN in to it? are they the reason thugs mugs and grubs harm our first responders? do you understand I am not a communist, socialist, even a lefty? my dream government will be ALP maybe not the next, but it will bring about reform in welfare health education tax and much more,end forever the sit down money that socialism is,hate me if you wish but put more thought please in to the thread subject and end the childish branding every one who thinks differently than you the parody thread about hate and dislike has a life here

Wrong thread right response to childlike posts

I'd like to respond to the remark made about this
being a forum to which people contribute only because
they have nothing better to do and so on. This forum
is not only a forum for old men, although their
knowledge, experience and views certainly do at times
add value to the discussions. It also attracts man
people of all ages who contribute to the forum - and
they do so not simply because they have nothing better
to do but because they're quite often able to both
contribute to the forum as well as find the time to
contribute to their communities as well.

For me personally - the forum is a diversion from
thinking about how rotten I feel at times - health-wise.
It gives me something else other than myself to focus on.
Right or wrong - there it is.

Dear Belly,

Well stated - and I for one am glad that you are back and
posting and providing us with a required balance. Thank-You.

How come nobody ever thinks of left-handers being behind a lot of the problems of today ? I've seen a figure in relation to traffic congestion in Sydney, that if there was only 12 % less traffic at peak-hours, it would flow about 20 % faster. And isn't it a bit more than coincidental that about 12 % of the population are left-handers ? So who's causing the problems, ay ? And that's not all, by any means.

No, butter wouldn't melt in their mouths, but check out who's behind the world's problems: Osama bin Laden was left-handed, Charles Manson too, Putin, Maduro, Mugabe - it's just too common to be coincidence. Check out drawings of Chenghiz Khan and even Pontius Pilate.

The evidence is just building up. But how to control this scourge ? There's probably a gene for it, so how can that be eradicated before it's too late to protect the next generations ?

Bugger, I just realised, I'm left-handed :(

Joe

I've found the next 'Dumbest Thing In The Country'.

As for needing someone to dislike I figure this purple haired lesbian weirdo instructing people on how to raise their kids will fit the bill, for today.

http://www.lifezette.com/2018/05/expert-says-we-must-ask-babys-permission-to-change-diaper/

Whilst it maybe true that "We Need Some one to hate" as Belly opines, its also probably true that we need to feel superior to someone or be part of group that feels superior to some other group.

Here we see Belly and Foxy and others proclaiming that indeed we do need to hate someone or some group, while they just as rapidly, despite using words like 'we' and 'us', exempt themselves from these haters. They aren't hateful like those other 'us' and those other 'we', thus demonstrating their superiority to the unthinking haters.

They use the term 'hate' because it provides them the way to decree their lack of hatred and therefore their greater moral position as compared the people they determine do hate.

But is hate the right word? It is an instinctive survival trait to distrust the 'other'. When we lived in small groups, the other was almost certainly a real or potential enemy. For example, in Australian aboriginal groups, warfare among the tribes was endemic. A many as 30% of all men died in warfare. And up to 50% of women were married to men who'd kidnapped them during periods of warfare - this also helped mix the gene pool.

So do we hate the other or merely instinctively distrust the other? And is the distrust amplified when the other has very different cultural values and wants to impose those values on us?

We don't actually hate the other, but we do distrust the other. Whatismore, we need to feel superior to the other. Otherwise we'd abandon our values and adopt his.

I'd postulate that all humans in all periods have felt the need to and indeed have felt superior to others. This is not something limited to those dastardly whites but covers all nations and races at all times.

So while you spend time glorifying in your lack of hatred as compared to those lesser beings, ponder why you have the need to feel superior to those you arbitrarily assume to be less virtuous.

LM,

As a cackie-hander I have to say sorry but you are very wrong. Putin isn't a leftie. But Einstein, da Vinci, Aristotle, Julius Caesar, Darwin, Michelangelo and Rubens were. And the closest thing we have to the divine on earth at the moment, Paul McCartney is a leftie.

Lefties solve problems, not create them. And as Foxy, Paul et al will happily (and constantly) tell you, right is the new Satan.

Finally, on Pontius Pilate, he "washed his hands in front of the crowd" (Matthew 27:24). Note :hands. Both hands. He was clearly and indisputably ambidextrous. I've seen the photos to prove it.

mhaze,

I've sent a reply to the "civil war" thread in error
meant for you. My apologies. You can read it there.

BTW - No. the "Right" is not the new Satan.
They're not clever enough. (smile).

Dear Joe,

Left-handed people - especially men are supposed to be
more caring, understanding, compassionate, tolerant,
and very good-looking as well. Really hot guys.

//How come nobody ever thinks of left-handers being behind a lot of the problems of today ?//

Lefties are fine, it's the gingers that are the worry. According to Jewish/Christian folklore, the 'mark of Cain' with which God cursed the first murderer was ginger hair, and Judas Iscariot was a ginger. There is a school of thought that says the reason that their skin is so badly affected by sunlight because it represents God's purity and holiness, and gingers are soulless creatures of darkness. In Egyptian mythology the evil god Set is a ginger; in the Norse pantheon Loki is the token ginger.

I suppose we shouldn't set too much store by the ancient myths, but it seems to me that it must be more than mere coincidence that across so many disparate religious mythological traditions, the gingers are always wrong'uns.

Foxy,

(Replying to a post in another thread that should have been in this thread in regards to a post I put in this thread....just to make things less complicated!!)

"Belly, myself, and a few others have not used the word "hate" go back and read what we posted"

The name of the thread uses the word, so clearly Belly used it. And your first post endorsed the assertion that Belly made, so you used it by proxy, Foxy.

As did others. People just started backing away from the erroneous assertion in supporting the original claims when I started to ask them who they hated thus calling into question their assertions of moral superiority.

Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 12:17:04 PM- "hate me if you wish but put more thought please in to the thread subject and end the childish branding every one who thinks differently than you the parody thread about hate and dislike has a life here"

Answer- Belly please provide a link/ reference to the objectionable post. Thank you for your feedback.

mhaze you are in no way the person who constantly uses that, I should be pleased as it highlights this thread is factual, seems Irish once if not still hate each other because of faith? truly weird that,could get sarcastic here but not worth the effort, thing is we do need some one to dislike/hate if my claim was about hate of Muslims this thread would be busy, what if we did not hate/dislike any one? just maybe we could find a new way to target others views, book burning maybe?
We could always target free speech, stop them *others* having an opinion

//I started to ask them who they hated thus calling into question their assertions of moral superiority.//

Eh, what? I'm pretty sure hating Kyle Sandilands does make me morally superior, at least to people who don't hate the fat prick.

Overnight the latest Trump revelations,or is it fake news? made me think just how did he rise to power, my views will be very different than others but they exist, so who is wrong? is his , in my view hate for just about everyone opposed to him something new, did his supporters just need someone to hate/dislike? remember Joe Mccarthy? the Mccarthyism that drove innocents out of the film industry because they had false dreadful claims of being communists made against them by what turned out to be a self promoting bigot? AT, After Trump it is my view his name will be much like Macarthys, what then of his supporters? will they ever question that support? just maybe we need someone to blame hate, dislike, so we need not hold our selves to account but blame *them*

In answer to Belly through the chair-

Perhaps Hate is a politically loaded term- dislike is probably a better word for serious discussion- but not believing in Political Correctness please feel free to use whatever words work for you.

Many of the claims by McCarthy about soviet era intelligence activity were apparently correlated through the Mitrokhin Archive. I'm not sure about the Hollywood Ten and the Blacklist specifically- but propaganda is a useful tool of politics- with newly invented nuclear weapons in play- perhaps the actions were understandable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrokhin_Archive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Toni,

I think your choice of hatee was inspired. People here have been struggling between denying hate for groups and/orr hate for individuals.

But given Sandilands' girth, he could be considered an individual OR a group.

You achieved a twofer.

Kudos.

Belly,

"mhaze you are in no way the person who constantly uses that"

I have no idea what that means. Constantly uses what?

"We could always target free speech, stop them *others* having an opinion"

Ultimately that's the policy those on the left eventually endorse. Stop losing the argument by closing it down. Just call someone a
racist or a fascist and assume that delegitimises their views.

" because they had false dreadful claims of being communists made against them"

Very very few of those accusations were false. They were communists. Whether they should have been punished for it is a different issue. But there was a form of national hysteria at the time which led to witch-hunts. The #metoo movement is in a similar vein.

mhaze not going to support your miss of the sites troll actions, CM as you will be aware other views, far different than yours exist about McCarthyism willing to stand with the majority in that issue,this mornings leak, is it that or a burst drain? about the current hater in the white house is telling,you do not need to be a lefty to see he has half his country deeply concerned, quite frankly some of the comment, about hate, if not showing hate, at least shows a deep dislike for any one showing a different opinion that others
CM you too will be aware even the very best chairman can have his or her rulings challenged

Ok so who do I dislike today?
- The government and its crap policies on smoking.
A mate I've known for years has cancer and emphysema and his body's starting to shut down..
So it looks like I'll be going to another funeral.

Why don't the government just make it easier for people to give up once their hooked?
If they make so much from cigarette taxes why can't they just make patches and all the other things that might help someone give up cheap?
- Like basement price, couple of dollars?

Who stands in the way of good policies?

Why do they put all these chemicals is smokes?
Why isn't their an 'organic' or 'non laced with bloody chemicals' option?
Why don't they make vaping an option if it can help?
And why do they drag their feet in providing CBD if it could've helped?
Too late for that now...

Stupid government incompetence.

On the topic of Senator Joseph McCarthy - his actions
were described by man as a "witchhunt," and it occurred
in the United States during the 1950s, when the late
Senator made indiscriminate charges that "Reds" were
infesting various areas of American life, including the
State Department. Congress set up a committee on
un-American activities, which tried to track down alleged
communist sympathizers.

These were the early days of the "cold war" with the Soviet
Union, and the search for political deviants closer to home
provided a focus for national solidarity against communism.

Although he recklessly smeared the reputations of hundreds
of people, McCarthy could never substantiate his claims.
When he finally began to attack the US Army, public revulsion
led to his colleagues in the Senate to formally censure him,
and his search for un-American deviants came to an end.

Hate is a pretty strong emotion, taking a great deal of effort, diverting effort from much more worth while objectives.

I can't be bothered wasting that much energy on anyone here, or anywhere else for that matter. Yes there are a few I despise, either for their ideals or their attitude, but that takes little effort, & is not all consuming as is hate.

Hate is a thing belonging to the left. You only have to think back to the hugely amusing Labor conferences of yore, when the factions would be hurling their hate of each other at each other across a hall. That disgust is a short term emotion, quickly displaced by something pleasant, not the continuing emotion gnawing at your very sole as is hate.

You can see it again in the US with the lefts irrational hate of Trump, & their consuming hatred of him. I am sure the right thought equally as low of Obama, but you never saw them behaving like rabid dogs because of it.

We have been given the perfect target for hate, by both Gillard & Turnbull, but neither are worth the effort. On the other hand, both are perfect examples of how ineffectual someone consumed by hate can be. An emotion to be very much avoided, it is obviously bad for you.

Foxy very true well said, let us consider just what this self serving man used to get, for a time, the spotlight on him, it was dislike/hate of communism, but as history tells us his figures of offenders was made up, one given number 57, was taken from sauce bottle! it seems we all use these two things at times,remember this was posted in humor and is while true a parody of our sometimes comments on this site, but as I trawled every news site in the last hour, while trying to keep up with the Aussie at the tennis, Trumps outburst at his news conference,along with the leakers views about him, made me think like that king without cloths his supporters are refusing to be the first to tell him he is a mug

Dear Belly,

You know I'm beginning to look a little more critically
at some articles and the reporting that goes with them.
News coverage often represents the voices only of both
extremes of the spectrum or voices of those who are the
most powerful. It's quite difficult these days to find
"objective journalism". Stories are supposed to be
balanced and fair. Fairness used to mean that
a journalist tried
for accuracy and truth in reporting and did not slant a
story . A reader could draw their own conclusions and not
the reporter's desired conclusion.

But in today's media that's becoming harder to find.

Foxy,

"But in today's media that's becoming harder to find."

In my view its virtually impossible to find. Maybe a little easier here than the US but only marginally so.

My solution is to find opposing views and then draw a conclusion from that. eg read NYT and Washington Times. Or watch CNN (!!) and Fox.

Read widely and use your own lifetime experience, which is going to be much better than the average journalist's, to draw conclusions. As Ben Rhodes said after hoodwinking the press on Obama's Iran deal "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That’s a sea change. They literally know nothing.”

mhaze,

Thanks for that.

Foxy I am reading from both sides but the SMH and ABC are closer to truth,mark me down as a disliker even biased against Fox/News ltd and Sky, BUT even my favorites get it wrong

Dear Belly,

That's why it's always good to hear all sides of a story.
Even from sources that we may not like. It gives us
more of a balance in that sense. And not just sticking
only to sources that agree with our viewpoints.

BTW: Am I the only one wondering what's happened to
Shadow Minister? He hasn't been posting for a while.
I hope he's allright?

Hate's an interesting word, often overused and misused. Where someone doesn't necessarily like someone. Seemingly today we hear the word uttered at every opportunity - I hate the food; or I hate your clothes, your shoes even your hairstyle.

In my lifetime, I've never actually 'hated' any person I think, perhaps a couple I don't know. I'll (again) recount a crime I was only on the edge of it, way back. Known as the Mrs Virginia MORSE murder. The wife of a Station owner near Moree in NSW was abducted, disgustingly outraged and then murdered. By two evil miscreants Kevin BAKER (ringleader) & Kevin CRUMP.

So heinous was the murder the presiding Justice (who's name I've since forgotten) sentenced them both to the term of their natural life. Awhile back the NSW government enacted a bi-partisan law, specially to ensure the presiding Justice's Sentence were never to be reduced. During that investigation and subsequent Trial, I'd say the entire township of Moree were filled with genuine hate.

In fact detectives brought up from Sydney were told in no uncertain terms if the townsfolk found them first, no trial would be needed. Thus it was known, against police advice there were many small units of what's known as the American 'Posse Comitatus' were formed, and set out searching for these two. Both had worked as station hands on the MORSE property, and had found Mrs MORSE quite attractive and well bred. The two culprits were well known.

I should say, that's probably the closest I've ever seen to raw hatred in my life time. As an aside, upon capture, a senior investigative detective from Sydney, had to be restrained, because he wanted to shoot the pair of them, there and then. Such was the immense amount of emotion that occurred that day? BAKER was the ringleader as I said, and CRUMP could neither read nor write, other than a racing form?

Hey Foxy,
Here's some interesting facts about the Reds; in America.

First of all - William Browder, Vulture Capitalist in USSR.
He is associated with Sergei Magnitsky.
He is one of the central players behind the Russiagate scandal.
His Grandfather was head of the Communist Party is the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Browder

Now the Democrat Party, Obama.
Now I dont know if there's a proven concensus on this one:
The official story is that Obama's dad is a man in Kenya.
But the unofficial story; and there's credible reasons to think it might be true, is that Frank Marshall Davis (Communist Party) is Obama's REAL father.

The talk about a fake birth certificate was true, but Obama was born in Hawaii and is a US citizen from birth, the fake birth certificate was to hide who his real daddy is.
http://www.obamasrealfather.com/frank-marshall-davis/

Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 6 September 2018 10:58:45 AM- "A mate I've known for years has cancer and emphysema and his body's starting to shut down.."

Answer- I know it's no compensation but I'm sorry to hear about your mate. So many have been taken by this- very sad. I know many here will feel the same way.

o sung wo, your story about those two lesser humans is only too well known to me, once quite startled at the time, a cop new in our work town pulled my truck up, said jump in, and told the crew we would not be long, we talked and found we had much in common, both at the time unhappy in our workplaces, and he needed his radio looked at, much older than today's it was a simple job for a ham radio buff,as we meet at road trauma events [too many times] it turned out he had a minor roll but one that left deep wounds in that case, sometimes hating is ok mate

Seems a rule needs to be seen about hate and dislike, for some of us not agreeing with an others opinion is enough to start disliking them, even hating them one thing for sure both are hollow shallow and in the end achieve nothing

G'day there BELLY ol' mate...

You say in part 'sometimes hating is OK'. Perhaps you're right, but doesn't hating, only really hurt yourself? You tend to simmer and bubble away, all the while plotting to get even with the object of your hate. Whereas, if you're shrewd, you'll simply sit back, and have a bit of a laugh about it all?

There's something I learned, very early on in the coppers: - 'Revenge is always best served cold'. Let your antagonist wait and simmer awhile, and then hit the bastard really hard, in terms he'll never forget. And ensuring he knows the reason(s) why you're squaring up with him.

Especially those gutless, cowardly 'slugs' who've 'king hit' you, or put in the old 'Florsheim' when you're down. Particularly when you're trying to calm down a particularly aggressive and really belligerent crowd of hoons.

There are a few people that I despise, but not necessarily hate. However when I checked the Dictionary it's one and the same - but employing different words. 'Contempt' and 'repugnance for'. I guess it illustrates how poorly educated I really am. If I despise an individual, it doesn't necessarily mean I hate them?

What'll it matter in 50 years time anyway? Got anything good going on for you this weekend BELLY? I guess it'll mean I'll be coerced into to going shopping, with she who must be obeyed. Still we generally partake in a delightful coffee of two, midway through the big shop, and that's brilliant. See you mate!

o sung wu to my mind, those you despise are far too low on the totem pole for you to ever bother hating. They are just not worthy the effort

Those low enough to have earned your hate, are just too low to bother with. It is better to wipe them from your thoughts, & get on with all the good things in life.

Hey Canem Malum,
Thanks for the kind words.

Hi there HASBEEN...

Very wise words coming from you HASBEEN. I think it's a case of being in the job for too long, and living outside it, for too shorter time. Comes a point, if we dwell too long upon the negative aspects of our lives, we can only live by those negative aspects, and that's not much to look forward too, is it. You must've achieved considerable wisdom, aloft on those Carrier based Aircraft? More so than I, undertaking the interminable Route and Forced marches, at Kapooka; back in 1960? Still to each his own.

o sung wo Hasbeen my words are about the two killers mentioned by o sung wo, hate is not a usual feeling for me but knowing from an eyewitness just how bad these men are? hate is the right word, Hasbeen knows my garden,/wild forest, is a big part of me these days but a sixty klm drive each way to two market days is part of this weekend, a scooner in the small village pub of the second one and home for the football, market days are a social thing for many of us who meet week after wee at different ones

Once again I've found the next 'Dumbest Thing In The Country'.

- Public Servant Offenders Eligible For Paid DV Leave -

WIFE bashers are getting rewarded with time off for work for 'beating up the missus', under a public service policy granting taxpayer-funded time off to perpetrators as well as victims.

Can't add a link because of a paywall, you'll have to google this one.

if true and I have my doubts it is stupid, however domestic violence is never ok, in the real world people and both sexes suffer, victims may have no cash not place to live and in that case the need for such leave is proven.
In fact some bosses even ask for it to be in their workplace agreements trading off other things to make room for it
never heard of a perpetrator getting it.

I found some thing to feed the haters even dislike my self ABC online free to read news today Saturday.
Those two totally idiots mentioned in several posts here, Hawksbury rive side land they claim is a Muslim sacred site.
Illegally building without permission, this time the filthy foul idiots insulted Christianity and held a server of legal documents for half and hour.
Make no bones about it these two lesser human fuel the xenophobic hate and should be fined the land taken from them and deported or locked in a mental institution for crimes again our laws and their religion and the one most of you follow, not every Muslim is like that however