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Are we facing civil war?

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Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 10:08:08 AM-

Comment 1- "You will find I have been advocating halving immigration levels for quite a while on this forum. I do so with the additional proviso that we double our refugee intake, something I'm absolutely sure you would be against."

Answer 1- Well you'll be surprised to know that under Howard I argued for a better system when the quota was 14k for refugees but we were only taking 7k. Later the quota was doubled to about 28k. Effectively it's been doubled twice since Howard. I can't see it being doubled again. Generally I prefer to have refugees helped in situ (but generally difficult when they are forced to evacuate) it's better for their communities and for the stability of those that would take them in. In this way I disagree with the UN and their policy since WWII. There are a lot of problems in the world you see issues where millions of people are being affected and are at risk- we can't help everyone- so a different approach is required. Once you realize that you can't solve all the problems you have to choose which ones to solve. Yes people will die- there are many holes in many boats- we have to choose which boats to save- sometimes we can come up with a solution to fix all of the boats for a while. When I see a refugee situation I try to see what parts of Maslow's hierarchy are missing as part of that group- is it food, security, shelter, community, etc. Military organizations are very good at maintaining functionality even in hostile environments- often it's not so much about money or external factors but by good management. Every culture should have their own nation- whether it's the Ethiopian christians or the Kosavin muslims. Sometimes internal changes in communities cause impacts on neighbours this is a management issue that can lead to conflict. Many religions are expansionist.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:10:33 PM
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While we are trying to solve issues in far away places that have diminishing relevance to us we are neglecting those quiet whispers for help within our immediate surrounds. At some stage I realized that it was more important to try to create a stable environment which protects vulnerable, unlucky, silly, etc from falling too far in our own community. The effort to solve problems needs to be in proportion to the concentric circles that surround us.

Comment 2- "As a former Australian Democrat who had always felt he was smack in the center on most issues but then saw both of the major parties swing hard to the right I suppose I am now of the Left by default."

Answer 2-

Yes most Australian's try to stay in the centre moderate position but they don't realise they have moved to far left socially and far right economically.

Many Conservatives are "Socially Conservative" but "Economically Progressive".

Looking back the time of Democrats was of relative sanity- I remember most of the players/issues with fondness.

Comment 3- "...fully agree the Greens are overusing and abusing the racist mantra toward those who question our current levels. But there are ways of having mature conversations about this issue without a bloody call to arms."

Answer 3-

A good way to shut down debate is to start by calling the opposition "murderers".

I'm surprised you haven't noticed the "call to arms from the left" it's been going on for quite a while. 70's Stonewall movement, iterations of feminism ("me-too" "intersectionalism"), bitter communist/socialism, etc.

Interesting that "Hitler was anti-communist".

Contemporary issues are complex- a Greens party that isn't green, Trade Unions that aren't unions for workers rights, Local businesses have global loyalties, etc. When the wars are fought in the shadows it's an "intelligence war"- the masses need a good flashlight. War creates thieves peace hangs them- but what is war and what is peace. Or as Billy Joel said "we didn't start the fire".

What is different is who is making the call- the earlier it happens the less blood- both ours and theirs.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:19:39 PM
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Paul1405 said "Steele, I'm not sure which one is in line to become führer, but if it happens I'm sure he'll sort the other one out in a 'night of the long knives'."

Answer-

Another Reductio Ad Hitlerum comment from the left.

Anyway...

Night of the long knives for those that don't know- "Hitler verses the Brown Shirts"

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/night-of-the-long-knives

http://www.britannica.com/event/Night-of-the-Long-Knives
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:37:50 PM
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Civil War?

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Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 3:20:50 PM
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the additional proviso that we double our refugee intake

Steeleredux,

So, never mind fake refugees or help the real refugees sort out their own countries ?
Just take them in as they come ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 4:03:09 PM
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Civil War?.....puleeze!... this is the most phlegmatic country in the world.
Want proof?....
Hands up who wants to go to war with your neighbour over civil rights?
Hands up who wants to go to the footy?

Nuff said!
Posted by Special Delivery, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 4:18:04 PM
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