Steele,

Thanks for that, so there was a logical meaning to your sentence after all and i can see it now, although had I got it in an essay you'd have lost marks.

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Ya, Herr Doktor.

Just out of curiosity, Steele and Paul & Co, do you get a kick out of it every time someone is raped and/or murdered when they were not allowed any means of self defence?

Or do you think that ordinary Australians should have the legal right to defend themselves against unlawful attack?

//Or do you think that ordinary Australians should have the legal right to defend themselves against unlawful attack?//

We do, Is Mise. At least in NSW.

http://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/defences/self-defense

So let's see now... so far you've told us that the Greens want to ban all hunting in Victoria when they're actually only after duck hunting. So that was a barefaced lie. And now you're trying to tell us that people don't have a right to self-defence when they definitely do. Do you think us so stupid that we'll just swallow whatever untruths you try and convince us of, or is your tendency to tell obvious whoppers just a compulsive behaviour that you can't properly control?

Oh, and before you start with any of your usual bollocks: the legal right to defend yourself and the legal right to wander the streets carrying whatever weapon you fancy are not the same thing. After all, if the legal right to defend yourself does amount to the legal right to own and carry whatever weapon you deem necessary for your protection, why limit it to guns? If nutters are allowed to wander the streets with whatever guns they like, I'm not going to feel safe just with a gun for self-defence. What's to stop somebody I haven't even seen shooting me in the back? No, if self-defence means whatever hardware you need to feel safe, I demand the right to a tank.

Well, why not? As long as people are responsible tank owners and only ever use them for self-defence, hunting feral pests and squashing the occasional car when you can't find a park, what possible problem could there be with letting private citizens own tanks? And of course weapons capable of defending against tanks, in case some wrong'un manages to get their hands on one and uses it for mischief.

Heinrich, how are things in Dodge City these days? I see you're still giving Nuremberg a wide birth.

Just on your Dodge City justice;
//Or do you think that ordinary Australians should have the legal right to defend themselves against unlawful attack?//

Toni has given you a fair answer to that.

Just a couple of questions;

Of the 25 million inhabitants of Australia, at your best guess, how many do you envisage being granted the right to carry a gun for self defence? All 25 million, or only those aged 5 years and older.

What kind of guns would you allow to be carried as a self defence weapon? Would an AK47 qualify.

Under what circumstance should one be able to use their weapon for self defence? Is it when one feels threatened, example when someone pushes in at the supermarket checkout, you would have the right to blow them away if they get too stroppy with you.

Toni,

So the Greens do not want to ban hunting, that's news to me; reference?

Since when doos asking a question have all the connotations that you attribute to it?

It is perfectly legal to own a tank in NSW and probably so in the other States, do check your facts before you go into emotional rant mode.

Paul,

He didn't and where have I ever said that all Australians should have guns?

Perhaps you might help Toni by explaining the Greens attitude to hunting?

//Or do you think that ordinary Australians should have the legal right to defend themselves against unlawful attack?// Which they already do.
If that's it, and you're not including the carrying of offensive weapons such as guns //where have I (Is Mise) ever said that all Australians should have guns// Then there is no argument.

What do you think about government sponsored karate lessons?

What about if you loose a video game, is that justification for opening up? Maybe you agree that winners should be able to let off some excess steam with a few well placed shots at the looser's, and vise versa.

BTW, do you guys every reenact the "Shootout at the O.K. Corral" using live ammo of course. Seems quite reasonable to me.