Of course there are local criminal elements in every society ! What the issue is here is the imported criminal elements who were housed, fed & supported in many ways by the taxpayers of Australia & yet, they see it fit to form gangs to terrorise the very society which gave them them a leg up in life, a privilege which many australian born youths don't get to enjoy, yet they don't form gangs.
Do-gooders must take a serious look at themselves. Warm'n fozzy words will foster the problem not reduce it. In fact, do-gooders are actually part of the problem & are in fact saboteurs.

//What the issue is here is the imported criminal elements who were housed, fed & supported in many ways by the taxpayers of Australia & yet, they see it fit to form gangs to terrorise the very society which gave them them a leg up in life//

Yep, a lot of those iced-up bogans are dole-bludging housos. Makes ya sick, don't it?

Having been through Europe, in particular Western Europe, and seeing first hand the results of mass immigration from Sub-Saharan Africa, Waleeds comments don't fill me with peace and calm.

Waleed is trying to maintain the current dominant values system in the West, and violence from African gangs which is observed creates a problem for this values system. Note that both Waleed and the LNP have the same values system, where they differ is how to maintain it.

SR, Rache,

The point about these African gangs is not only that their crime rate is vastly out of proportion to their population, it is also the violent nature of the attacks on people sometimes in broad daylight, and that the police and judiciary essentially give them a slap on the wrist and put them back on the streets again and again.

The first duty of any government is to protect the people. Andrews and his minions have failed in this duty miserably as petty crimes have decreased but violent ones.

The next elections are nearly a year away and so Andrews and his corrupt cohorts still have time to clear up the mess, but if they don't it will be much harder for them to stay in power.

Predicting elections is a risky business at the
best of times. The US is a great example.
Daniel Andrews is doing an excellent job in
Victoria - building is going on around us and
the state is progressing greatly. The crime
rate has dropped - and the crime that does exist
over 70 per cent is done by locals (not Africans).

Hi there FOXY...

What you've inferred in your last Post, concerning what a good Job the Andrew's Government is doing about crime in Victoria; is diametrically opposite to what an Inspector mate I know down there says? The African Gangs have become endemic to a point where the coppers are beside themselves, as to what should be done, especially now there's a new, softly softy approach to community policing, is in train?

Personally I've never had any truck with Stats. The can be construed or interpreted in anyway the reader may choose. In 1983 we got a new Asst. Commissioner I/C of the Crime Department. And like all new people he wanted to be across what was happening within his baliwyck. His boss, the Deputy. Commissioner (Admin) suggested he reads all the crime figures and statistics.

He declined; preferring instead to do an eight hour 'ride along' around the many troubled areas within his command. On one occasion, he chose our car, for a three hour stint of his RA. He sat in the back, and hardly said a word, just observed, earning the not so pleasant epithet 'J.A.F.O' ('Just Another F.ck.ng Observer'). As we worked the; Yagoona, Punchbowl, and Bankstown zones.

He admitted to us after, what he actually experienced in his the RA; and what was contained in the Crime reports, were entirely different altogether. Being the 'Johnny on the spot' was far different than just reading about it. Much like your Mr Andrews's Stats and Crime reports, I'd imagine.

While it's true Stats are generally accurate. What they fail to show is the 'heat' of an exchange; the hatred, the tension, the explosives nature of a potentially violent conflict. Second guessing the availability of weapons...etc, etc, and etc! The only use a written report will have here - is a means of fuel, and a wick, to ignite fires!

They mean 'diddly squat' usually and they're only raised for the annual consumption, of the Victorian State Parliament! Certainly not to assuage the concerns of the many jittery citizens, who happen to reside in the area.