IF this thread was say about the rape of children by Priests and others in the Catholic Church, some one surely would point out it is and was not only that Church but very near any of them who offended? and that some one could in all truth remind us it was never all in that Church? how about the increasingly cult like deep southern USA Christian Churches? or the one haunting the relatives of dead American service men and women? look for evil in any group and you will find it, change first must be achievable,if we want change here in the western world, change from the real fear, danger,and wounds to our existing culture, look first at what both sides can do to ensure faith is not a power base, not inflicted on others ever,, and too look at the truth the real truth, about why humanity needs faith so much we invented them, by the dozen

I wrote this opening post as an experiment. One of the categories I listed it under was "Homour & Satire" mainly because there wasn't a tongue-in-cheek option. This was a thought experiment to test a theory.

Careful reading of my post will show that I never said "All Muslims" are implicated because of the actions of this one rapists. I just said muslims this and muslims that but never 'all' muslims.

Nonetheless, everyone assumed that I was referring to "All Muslims" and went into bat for or against them all.

Yet when SHY said things like "men can't control themselves", "men behave like morons and pigs", and that we should teach our boys to stop raping our girls, it was deemed inappropriate for others to draw the conclusion that she was referring to "all men".

Leyonhjelm drew the same inference as everyone here has, and then pointed out that the natural response to believing that (all) men were rapists was to avoid men.

Leyonhjelm's interpretation of what SHY (and the rest of the sisterhood) says was perfectly understandable in the same way as the interpretation everyone here drew about what I wrote was perfectly understandable.

I'm rather chuffed at that result.

Foxy, about the “vast majority of sensible, civilized, peaceful Muslims”. The fact is that tall Muslims blindly accept Islamic dogma, never questioning the disconnect between reality and belief.

In 2002 a woman named Zarmina, a mother of three, was brutally executed with shot in the head in Kabul's Olympic Stadium in front of 30,000 cheering spectators. Where were the sensible, civilized Muslims?

In 2006 there was an article here on the Grand Muffin of Australia’s use of the word “meat” to describe women (not to mention other slurs). It became a scandal when reported by a newspaper, 3weeks after the sermon was given. So for 21 days not a single “sensible, civilized, peaceful” Muslim objected. Only when the infidel press exposes the issue, a few rush in to condemn. Here is the tread for that article:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5073

Fast forward 12 years and what do we see. Muslims killing each other and fleeing to the West, taking their morals and chaos with them. We see bombs, truck attacks, rapes and, most of all, denial.

We see a group calling itself “Islamic State” killing and bringing suffering to millions. This group, ISIS, even has a do-it-yourself Sex Slave manual, full of quotes from the Quran and hadith to justify rape and enslavement. Where were the sensible, civilised and peaceful Muslims? Crickets.

Foxy, recently some jihadists posted a videos online of themselves posing with the naked mutilated body of a girl named Amina Omar, making jokes and, of course, yelling “allahuakbar” – a real trophy. Where did they learn this? If “civilized” Muslims are a majority, why can’t they control or eliminate the fanatics? Maybe it is because the fanatics know Islam better...

Maybe tomorrow I will find time to post some quotes from the hadith about how Mohammad and his men treated women.

I have spoken with many Muslims, and from what I know, they may be wonderful people. The problem is that once you start talking about what the quran and hadith actually say, they become evasive and start making excuses. That being the case, they cannot be trusted.

mhaze I believe you are the one who is wrong "Muslims and Rape" I do not believe for one minute all or even one of the people on this thread believe it meant "all Muslims every single one of them".

Furthermore you wrote
"Clearly we have a problem with these people"
and
"Muslims must be taught that their way of treating women is simply wrong"
and this one
"Equally their parents have to be taught to raise their children in a more enlightened way"
Your final comment
"There is no option if the rights of women are to be respected and protected from this scourge."

If as you claim it was an experiment it is a very badly worded one in that like some survey questions it is designed to give a specific outcome.

Muslim, Islam, those two words like it or not bring out thoughts and fears of terrorism crime, a host of things, all true but as my early post said, even asked are we any better? yes know the holly book of this faith is harsh, have we all read the first testament? the very fact some, truly CHRISTIAN, use another holly book to flog Islam adds to my view it is well past time we asked did Gods if they created us, do so so we would hate each other,let me be frank, this country should ban the Burka, never ever stop returning criminals and terrorist to the homes they or their parents came from, the same however is said here and now about those from any race faith or country that will not live by our laws

Dear Kactuz,

Kindly read the following link - it just may clarify a few
things for you and you just may realise that you fears
are unfounded.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/australia-shouldnt-live-in-fear-of-terror-attacks/8692928