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asylum seekers, drugs and weapons

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OK if you are too impolite to respond to a perfectly reasonable request to narrow down the reference or background types that are amenable to you, I am going to have to assume that you know absolutely nothing.

I am going to break it right down and progress step by step to ensure that you fully understand the topic and accept that the sources I reference have the necessary expert credibility. To begin with I'll introduce you to Kyleanne Hunter, one of the co-founders of Vets For Gun Reform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhfHWY9pCl4

This tedx is just a background.

http://www.kyleannehunter.com/home.html

Her website details her accomplishments.

If you have no problems with her weapons knowledge and her understanding of gun legislation in the USA, then we'll move on.
Posted by unravel, Sunday, 24 June 2018 11:38:16 PM
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David F said- "If there was not a lucrative market there would be little incentive for the drug gangs. If the United States would legalize drugs the market would no longer be lucrative. That would help."

Answer- Generally drug legalization (or decriminalization) is an interesting solution as it addresses the demand and supply side issues of the business of drugs. But it seems to conflict with the Hippocratic Oath "Neither will I administer a poison nor will I suggest such a course."- basically "Do no harm". It shows that even a principle as basic as "Do no harm" if applied in the wrong context and at the wrong scale can potentially be misguided in certain situations. Doctors apply this principle at the individual level but the solution needs perhaps to be applied at the national level- which often involves and "balancing of evils".

However due to the relatively weak policing in south american countries shutting down the drug business would just move business into other types of organised crime- such as money laundering. There have been interesting uses of the military in confronting organised crime in south america.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 25 June 2018 5:37:26 AM
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Foxy said- "If we remove our membership of the (Refugee) Convention"

Answer- Some regional and international conventions are probably not sustainable- such as the European Union in its current form. The Refugee Convention was drafted in a time of restricted travel. My understanding is the numbers (and proportions) of refugees and immigrants are now much higher than at other times in history.

Foxy said- "What an extra-ordinary path for our government to pursue.
They've withdrawn their support for the car industry and
they're not a big supporter of renewal energy technology.
So instead, when looking for new manufacturing and
export opportunities the best they can come up with is -
weapons?"

The car industry is at a bit of a dead end it has been unable to reinvent its product in line with other developments. Renewable energy is fairly risky due to storage technology (governments have a conservative risk profile- doesn't mean it can't sponsor research- I'm sure it has been). There has been development of manufacturing such as nanotech and carbon fibre in Australia. Many economic models seem to believe that quanternary (meta-information) industries (rather than secondary) add greater value. I'm not sure what Prime Minister Turnbull have in mind with the arms industry- presumably he's seeking to arm law enforcement (small arms- but others have better capacity here) and possibly leverage submarine expertise in India or other potentials. India would probably buy one submarine and then copy it- so not a good long term business.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 25 June 2018 6:21:58 AM
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unravel,

See, it's not hard to give a reference,
pity that it's not relevant to your statement that, "Guns enable the crims to carry out their illegal activities. One of the more lucrative activities is gun-running."

So, a reference, please.

Kyleanne Hunter may or may not have said something on the subject but I'm not going to wade through her articles to find it.
I can read all that I want on women's issues elsewhere.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 25 June 2018 12:08:22 PM
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Let me repeat myself

“If I am going to “nanny” you through this whole process than you are going to have to do some work too.”

“OK if you are too impolite to respond to reference or background types, I am going to have to assume that you know absolutely nothing. So I am going to break it right down and progress step by step to ensure that you fully understand the topic and accept that the sources I reference have the necessary expert credibility.”

So why are you bitching because I'm nannying you through it, Is Mise? You did not want to give me any information as to what type of reference or source material you required. As I said, I have to assume you know absolutely nothing and baby-step you through it. You don't have to do anything except watch, listen or read the specific references. I'm not expecting you to have to use the references as pointers to other information.

I don't do two sentence tweets, nor do I re-post two sentence Alt-right bots. I'm going to give you plenty of references, one or a few at a time, so that you can understand the complexity of the situation. If there is something you don't get or reject, it can be sorted as you encounter it. All you need to take away from that tedx is the damage that an AR15 can inflict.

Next up, more of Kyleanne Hunter

https://speakerfortheliving.com/gun-trafficking/
Posted by unravel, Monday, 25 June 2018 9:41:58 PM
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Unravel- If you quote a source it's good manners, and in some contexts a requirement, to give a link.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 3:21:30 AM
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