Room exists in this thread for out right war, feeling run hot on both sides, votes CAN be won or lost on this issue,there is the very reason we have offshore detention! it is cruel ugly and damaging to us as well as our VICTIMS, Tony Abbott, little man with little regard for such as me, is my evidence as I table a truth, he now agrees with me! the Malaysian solution by now, would have stopped every boat, some years back, yes increased our refugee intake, for a while, but all around our near north refugees would have stopped coming, benefiting all country's, no offshore detention no brutality no brutal costs,Abbott said he wishes he could look at it, fewer Australians would be threatened by picked refugees than boat arrival, in the hardest tasks know a middle solution may be the best you can get

Dive..dive..dive......the self-righteous are on the march.

Connect the dots.... illicit drugs...extortion....kidnapping....guns.

Which one of them is the only legal trade that organized crime is involved in?

"Guns enable the crims to carry out their illegal activities. One of the more lucrative activities is gun-running."

Seriously?

In which direction are the guns being run?

"In which direction are the guns being run?"

It will take you 2 seconds to check out the basics. You're obviously going somewhere, so cut to the chase and make your point.

unravel,

"In which direction are the guns being run?"

Well, you brought up the topic, so I really think that you should answer the question.

As far as I can see there are no guns involved with refugees, apart from those legally carried by law enforcement officers and personnel.

What do you think these people are seeking refuge from Is Mise?

Here's a very brief snapshot for you.

If the kids don't join a gang they are shot. If farmers don't grow drugs, they are shot. If people don't become mules they are shot. The vast majority of the handguns that these criminals use, are purchased legally in the States. As I've said elsewhere it needs a regional solution to the problem. Without a regional policy to disarm the gangs and other organised criminals the problem is not going to go away. If the US makes it easy for these gangs to get guns, it makes it easier for these gangs to terrorise their own people. It's virtually a closed loop. Proceeds from drugs buys guns. Guns enable drug production. Not getting a bullet in the head is a far greater incentive than the US dollars offered to grow other crops instead. Consequently, if these people run foul of the gangs, their only hope is to flee and hopefully make it to the US.

So if you don't see how guns are involved with these refugees, either your eyes are wide shut or you wear glasses with a very distinctive political tint.