Nikki Haley, U.S ambassador to the UN was right in saying that: “For too long the Human Rights Council has been the protector of human rights abusers” (while ripping into Australia for protecting its borders, I might add). Australia doesn't have the moral fibre to be anything but be 'disappointed’ by America’s admirable withdrawal (Bishop). We would rather cosy up to abusers like China, Cuba, Russia and Egypt.

Australians should be demanding we follow the U.S out of the UNHRC and out of the UN itself.

//yes Toni if my kids break into your house feel free to take them to the police to be locked up//

But that's not what I asked, is it runner?

I very clearly said:

//May I lock your children up in a wire mesh cage even though they've done naught wrong?//

And if your kids break into my house, that's not doing naught wrong, is it now runner? And taking them to the police is not the same as just locking them in a wire mesh cage. I'm pretty sure that the NSW police force, for all their faults, still draw the line at cruel and unusual punishment of children - most people do, and it concerns me that you appear not to.

So let's try this again, and see if you're still too thick to understand what is, after all, a fairly simple question of ethics.

Is it ethical to use collective punishment to punish wrong-doers when some of the members of the group being punished have done naught wrong?

The question is not whether your kids should be locked up if THEY break into my house, it is whether or not they should subject to cruel and unusual punishment if YOU break into my house.

I take it that's still a yes then, runner?

' What's the common factor here, Runner ? Women sometimes have abortions: terrible, you might think. And Latin American women trying to get into the US: understandable. So what's the connection ? Is this an abortion issue, a women's issue, or human rights issue ? Your call.'

Well Joe I would suggest this issue is more about security than Human Rights. I doubt whether the Latin American women are as heartless as the Palestinian women who tie bombs to their children and use them as human shields. I don't doubt the women love their children however I suspect that the marxist encouraging legal entrance are just using the kids as pawns. This is consistent with their practices around the world. Do you really think Sarah Hanson young cares about kids as she brings Islamic illegal immigrants into Europe including kids. Just happens many who encourage and support illegal immigration crying about kids also support the slaughter of the unborn. Very selective tears.

On the other hand the illegal attempts to enter a country will be certainly abused in a massive way if strong actions are not taken. What do you suggest. Allow every family that sends kids in?

Toni just take a bex and stop your silly rant.

turns out the lefties have lied again. The photo of kids in cages was taken in 2014. Wow! More lies from those with Deranged Trump syndrome.

https://www.facebook.com/deneenCRTV/?hc_ref=ARTs6Pbea0Ps1DTuOTglCWGrqrXvHpWTtKUGfv00VY6jVUFJwSsvQE8T0_di1ISX6zs

where is the outrage against Obama. Its not just the ex Australian Humans Rights Commissioner who decides to politise using lies.

surprised you would fall for it Joe. It does back Paul and Toni's sick narrative so that does not surprise.

//Toni just take a bex and stop your silly rant.//

What's this, the undisputed champion of silly rants telling me off for something he does all the time? XD

That's real cute, runner.

Why is it that you're afraid to answer my question? Usually you're only too happy to blow your own trumpet about your superior moral virtue and tell us off for our wicked ways. Don't you want to tell me what an evil, ignorant lefty I am and why the only reason I believe locking children in wire mesh cages is wrong is because I believe the warped narratives of evolution and the big bang?

That's not like you, runner. Feeling OK, buddy?

Looking at this Border question quite dispassionately, would everyone disagree, the United States has the moral right to protect it's own Sovereign Borders from interlopers? Surely not.

Let's assume then, it's not so much them defending their Borders; but how. And what they do with those individuals who've they've taken into custody attempting to gain access. It's not an issue of 'Human rights' to protect and defend one's Borders, but a 'Sovereign right'.

I think the major point of disagreement is; what measures the US should take, with those who've they caught breaching their Borders? Clearly it's a crime. However by placing children and youths in cages (custody), is morally contemptible and incompatible with most clear thinking people. Including many US hardline Republicans I would think. However, the question is now moot?

Apparently MR TRUMP has just recently signed an Executive Order, releasing them all into the care, custody and control of their families. An admission I think, the US President acted somewhat hastily on this matter.