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The simplistic teaching of history

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//Currently we have radical Marxist and Islamic extremism pushing their agenda in the United Nations and taught at elite University Levels as the New World Order.//

O...kay.

Just ignore the crazy man, folks. He's only talking to himself anyway.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 18 June 2018 9:57:57 AM
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Dear Toni,

«Being forced, against your will, to gain an education.»

What's school to do with education?

I was well educated before going to school, I was reading heaps of books on every possible subject and my parents taught me everything else, also sent me to private tutors.

But when I turned 6 I had to go to school regardless, because I knew that if I didn't then my parents would be sent to jail. No child wants their dear parents to go to jail, right? So I sacrificed it all for them, I didn't learn anything in school (I remember when the year-1 teacher asked: "What minus what gives 11", where I answered, 1000000-999989), it was a complete waste of time, but I was regularly beaten and stoned by the other kids there - well what wouldn't you have done for your parents?!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 18 June 2018 2:15:16 PM
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TL: Just ignore the crazy man, folks. He's only talking to himself anyway

Not this time Tony, not this time.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 18 June 2018 8:43:33 PM
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Dear Foxy,

>>The historian can establish that an act took place on a certain
day. However when a historian begins to look critically at
motivation, circumstances, context, or any other such
considerations, [i.e. interprets the facts - added GV] the product becomes unacceptable for one or another camp of readers.<<

I agree, nevertheless, the theoretical physicist Steven Weinberg warns,

<< As [the Cambridge historian Herbert] Butterfield explained … [in the Whig Interpretation of History, NY 1951, p. 75], the Wig historian seems to believe that there is an unfolding logic in history. … [He] went to attack … the archetypal Whig historian, Lord Acton for his view of history as a means of passing moral judgements on the past. … Butterfield went on to say that “if history can do anything it is to remind us of those complications that undermine our certainties, and to show us that all our judgements are only relative to time and circumstance. … We can never assert that history has proven any man right in the long term. We can never say that the ultimate issue, the succeeding course of events or the lapse of time have proved that [e.g.] Luther was right against the Pope, [etc] … .

This is the point, where the historian of science and the historian of politics [and social issues] must part. [For instance], the passage of time has shown that Darwin was right against Lamarck, [etc.] … Present scientific knowledge has the potentiality of being relevant in the history of science in a way that present moral and political judgements may not be relevant in political or social history. >>
(The one Culture?, ed. J.A.Labinger & H. Collins, UCP 2001, p. 119).
Posted by George, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 9:21:48 AM
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Dearest Foxy,

""No, don't! Don't dig up the past!
Dwell on the past and you'll lose an eye!"

But the proverb goes on to say:

"Forget the past and
You'll lose both eyes!""

Brilliant ! Yes, indeed, we have to try to understand our past, warts and all. I've got enough convicts in my ancestry, some of them probably total bastards, and i wish i knew more about all of them.

I'm all in favour of a Truth, Justice and Reconciliation commission in relation to Indigenous people here and our own history. We can only move forward by grappling with ALL the truth. I'm still grappling with the implications that, here in SA, the grandly named Aborigines Department had one employee, the Protector whose main task was to oversee provision to up to seventy ration depots all over the Colony/State, wherever Aboriginal people were. If they moved, so did the ration depot. If they moved back, so did the ration depot.

Aboriginal people had explicit rights to use the land as they always had done (and that's still the law here). So maybe nobody was ever pushed off their land; nobody was ever herded onto Missions, which also were often one-man shows with, if anything, the missionary gambling about too many people wanting to come and live there.

Anyhow, I've typed up the 9,000 letters of the Protector here, from 1837 up to 1912, and other key documents, all on: www.firstsources.info

Let the truth ALWAYS prevail.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 10:23:30 AM
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Let the truth ALWAYS prevail.
Loudmouth,
I'm with you on that one. What we need to come up with is a strategy to infiltrate Australia with people of integrity. Any ideas ?
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 6:27:19 AM
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