As a society we seem to going backwards. Way back, to times where people were tortured and killed for their beliefs. Where to survive you had to hide your personal views and pretend to be what you were not. These days anyone who believes homosexuality isn’t natural or that euthanasia is wrong or casual abortion shouldn’t be allowed is subjected to a witch hunt in the media. Look at poor sports stars, past and present, who express a belief contrary to the current dogma.
Whatever happened to tolerance of someone’s personal beliefs? What sort of moral dictatorship are we heading for?
50 years ago, whilst training as a nurse I was caring for a newborn baby born with a severe heart defect, incompatible with life, especially without oxygen. The Policy at that time was to wait for 3 months to see if their condition improved, and if not, their oxygen was turned off and they were allowed to die. This was in the days before open heart surgery.
It was my misfortune to be on duty the day this baby was elected to have his oxygen turned off. I refused. Flatly refused. I had cared for him for three months and no way could I do what the hospital demanded I do. And when they got another nurse to do it, I immediate turned it back on. Several times in fact.
Fortunately my superiors were not SJWs demanding everyone follow their script. Instead of forcing me to accept the inevitable , threatening to sack me, or doing anything coercive, they simply sent me home for the rest of the day. And when I returned the next day, they sent me to another area to work for a while.
There is room in this world to accomodate people’s different beliefs, and so long as no one is greatly disadvantaged by those beliefs, we should all make those accommodations.

Josephus, I to have close gay friends living together, in fact legally married, and we attended their wedding. Unlike you, I believe all my friends have total equality with me in all aspects of their lives. Have you made it clear to your gay friends that you disapprove of their life style, believing in certain aspects they are not entitled to equality with you.
Like the slave owner who believed he had a genuine love for his slaves, yet he demonstrated his hate for them by keeping them as slaves. Hate does not necessarily manifest itself as anger, the gay bashers. In your case you would not see yourself as a hater, because you do not have any open hostility towards gays.

The thread is better for its forum wobble, that thing we do with threads here bonce of the walls of its intent and return or not to the subject, however I think, maybe I am wrong, it is about that bakers rights,and if his point of view is unwelcome, do any of us have such rights? like him or not, no view on that,should he have been forced to bake the cake? if we believe in personal freedom for any one our answer must be no!

One of the interesting things to come out of the ruling is that the bias of the original lower court was an important factor in ruling in the baker's favour ie that they'd overlooked prior instances where Christians had been discriminated against.

So its clear that future 'defendants' will have an incentive to find instances of bias. Therefore its likely that we'll see a lot more attempts to create this bias by, for example, doing the type of things we've jokingly mentioned here like asking Muslims to paint Mo or anti-Trumpite tailors to make a MAGA hat.

The left creates these anti-discrimination boards and laws in the expectation it'll only affect the right because they don't recognise their own bias. It is truly said that the left won't like living under the rules they created.

So Paul those homosexual friends are able to naturally of themselves to reproduce children, if so they are then fully equal to you. Children being born from the arse? Life and excreta from the same orifice?

Dear Josephus,

Life does not come from human orifices, only bodies do - life comes from God.

Some people's bodies are unable to reproduce for genetic, injury or age reasons. Are you saying that the souls of those who live through these bodies are worth less as a result? What about Isaiah 56:4-5?

In our age where human population exploded beyond reason, refraining from having children is a merit.

Some believe in Genesis literally, as a commandment rather than a blessing: "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth", but even if correct, that task has been fulfilled and completed already, the earth is full, we can tick that box!