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Can One Nation survive this?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power

The United Nations Security Council veto system was established in order to prohibit the UN from taking any future action directly against its principal founding members. One of the lessons of the League of Nations (1919–46) had been that an international organization cannot work if all the major powers are not members. The expulsion of the Soviet Union from the League of Nations in December 1939, following its November 1939 attack on Finland soon after the outbreak of World War II, was just one of many events in the League's long history of incomplete membership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_the_United_Nations

India has been seeking a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council ...
India makes a number of claims to justify its demand.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-offers-to-give-up-veto-power-temporarily-at-un-security-council-1667565

India Ready To Let Go Of Veto Initially For UN Security Council Seat
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 9 June 2018 5:46:45 PM
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Aidan

This post was part of discussion going back to
Wednesday, 6 June 2018 7:48:57 AM and comments by Foxy and others.

*The basic point -

The UN should not interfere in the internal activities of countries.
UN Hate Laws are an example of a case where the UN interferes in countries internal affairs.

* Background

The UN and the League Of Nations were founded by the winners of the world wars (the great powers) to prevent war.

Nuclear Weapons are a symbol of great power status and NNPT, ABMTBT are UN arrangements to control arms race conditions in the modern world.

The UN should focus on disputes between the great powers and controlling the arms race.

There is some pressure for structural change with the veto system due to the arms race by new great powers.

One of the arguments for structural change is India's 2nd largest population status (soon to be first).

* Potential solutions

There is a subtext that if there were no cultures then using military force is superfluous - many believe that this is the wrong strategy and also increases conflict.

There need to be "clear formal lines" that if they are crossed by any member then all of the members act together against the bad player to ensure security.

Great powers want influence if you give them influence within their region this may be a stable structure.

So one possibility is to divide the world into regions with one great power to each - to some extent this has already occurred naturally in APEC, EU, etc.

* Some of the above is open to debate. Our view (the view of the ALT movement) is the burden of global security is born by the bottom of the structure in a cultural solution and doesn't really fix the population issue or the ones with the weapons
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 9 June 2018 6:28:54 PM
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Missed some thing? so Hanson sits in the UN now?Uninformed Nitwit that is
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 10 June 2018 6:52:50 AM
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Tread seems to have run its race here and so be it we however are much more than likely to revisit it in the near future two recent elections results seem to confirm my view this party is in a death roll, but almost sure we will have a federal election in spring and no better chance exists for Hanson and the party she has legally made her own, to be judged, my view? if you are conservative vote for them, not another waste paper basket splinter party
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 10 June 2018 3:52:53 PM
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Hi Belly - Thanks for your feedback. The UN part was related to discussion about Hate Crimes of which Pauline Hanson has been accused. Sometimes I wish I didn't but I can understand if you're not familiar with the basics of UN history.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 10 June 2018 4:53:48 PM
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Dear Belly,

We need to understand the challenge Hanson poses to
public life in this country. Is she a party of
policy or just protest? I'd say - just protest.
If you look at her supporters they are basically
people who yearn for the "gold old days", they're
extremely nostalgic, they display an unusual gloom,
and share a vehemently anti-government stance.
They're people who don't have confidence in the
government. They see the quick turnover in leaders.
They see scandals to do with expenses, and so on.
They become very jaded.

Then of course we've had a lack of decisive leadership
as well. I think that most of the Hanson supporters could
be falling in with her simply because they're disenchanted with
the political system.

However she's a puzzle with serious consequences -
Whether she's capable of lasting - only time will tell.
Who knows. That's politics.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 10 June 2018 8:07:32 PM
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