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It's Great To Be Offended!
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Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 May 2018 10:08:00 AM
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Hey ttbn,
I saw a news segment about this a few days back. She's got screws loose. http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/05/11/maxine-waters-rips-make-america-great-again-slogan-donald-trump-and-mike-kelly-house I'm starting to think LNP is kind of like the Republicans and the ALP is kind of like the Democrats. There's similarities on a few issues. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 21 May 2018 11:06:30 AM
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AC,
And the woman is on a list of the 100 most influential people! Don't know whose list it is, or who put her on it. Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 May 2018 11:31:43 AM
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seems the most priviledged are most offended and have the biggest appetites for offence. Remember that Yasmin woman. Got handed everything to her by Australia only to scream racism. Go figure.
Posted by runner, Monday, 21 May 2018 4:18:39 PM
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I just watched that clip, it's standard issue stock rhetoric when there's no argument but one side needs one due to lack of retort based on integrity.
They're everywhere now thanks to the academic Left. Posted by individual, Monday, 21 May 2018 5:22:15 PM
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None are more racist than those incessantly bleating to be victims of racism.
(my line from the other thread) Posted by individual, Monday, 21 May 2018 10:01:49 PM
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Good on Maxine, she doesn't take crap from anybody. Gotta love the woman.
Congressman Kelly is the owner of a car dealership and the discussion had been about the Republicans rescinding an Obama initiative stopping the practice of discriminating against African-americans by charging them more for car loans based solely on race, even when all other factors were equal. He had made some retort about car dealers being discriminated against (something Carlson would never show because it would have neutered his concocted trash) and Maxine let him have it with both barrels. Great viewing and hopefully she will keep up the good fight. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 12:23:39 AM
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Steele, overt discrimination is common in Australia. Last Sunday afternoon while in a shopping centre in Sydney's eastern suburbs, my wife chose to look at some dresses on a rack at the front door of a woman's upmarket clothing store. Another woman had been looking at the same rack of specials, and walked away, there were several other female customers inside. I noticed two sales assistants chatting at the rear counter, paying no attention to the customers. As soon as "T" took a dress off the rack to have a closer look, one of the sales girls took off in our direction, virtually running, and with a very loud. "CAN I HELP YOU!", which "T" replied "no, just looking". Then the girl stood there like some kind of guard.
I'm not saying it was because my wife could be mistaken for an Aboriginal that the sales girls suddenly felt it necessary to become all customer focused all of a sudden, well with the one customer who's only difference was her skin colour, but it does make one wonder. I said to "T", "haere mai" Maori for come. I asked "Doesn't that blatant action of the sales girl offend you?"..."No, I've put up with that all my life."and its not the first time I have seen that reaction to my wife in shops. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 6:44:36 AM
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//None are more racist than those incessantly bleating to be victims of racism.//
Well, except for all the white supremacists, Islamaphobes, people who say 'I'm not racist, but...', people who claim that racism is a myth, people who think that brown-skinned people having an opinion on racism is innappropriate... you know, all the racists. //I'm starting to think LNP is kind of like the Republicans and the ALP is kind of like the Democrats. There's similarities on a few issues.// There's differences as well. For one thing, they're not seppos. And the LNP aren't composed of a frighteningly large number of people who appear to be completely batshit crazy like the GOP; Australia's right-wing crazies gravitate to parties like Pauline Hanson's 'Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party' and Cory's Tories. Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 8:01:56 AM
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Why is trying to protect your own in the blatant assault by fanaticism & stupidity right-wing crazy ?
To condemn literal self defence is probably one of the most insipd actions of all. I'd never have thought I'd see the day when some Australians subscribe to that deplorable mentality. Alas ! Posted by individual, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 10:51:47 AM
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The salesgirl's reaction was obviously based on skin colour, probably because the store had had stuff nicked by 'coloured' people.
It's the same in the rental market but the only houses trashed lately around my way have been done by European Australians. Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 11:16:18 AM
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Despite the dunce SteelRedux trying to divert attention from a silly woman, proud of being offended, the subject IS that silly woman, and not a bit player who was subjected to her tirade. The ravings of a red ratbag like SteelRedux do not alter that.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 11:22:47 AM
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//To condemn literal self defence is probably one of the most insipd actions of all.//
Well it's good that nobody's done that then. Unless your interpretation of 'literal self defence' is so broad that it includes discriminating against brown people because they're brown. But that'd be nuts. Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 11:54:13 AM
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Maxine Waters has chosen to present as a whining victim. She has no self-respect (boo hoo, I'm offended). She will never receive respect from anyone but her fellow-whiners and neo-Marxists. Although, even there, those people are also so self-centred and obsessed with their own victimhood and irrelevance that they are unlikely to care enough about her to give her a second thought.
And SillyRedux describes such pathetic victimhood as a “good fight”. If that's a fight, there is still a good chance that common sense will prevail, and the neo-Marxists will get the comeuppance they deserve. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 12:41:57 PM
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Dear Paul1405,
It is really sad to hear stories like yours. It can really ruin a day out when you encounter behaviour like that. Hopefully things are slowly changing for the better in this country. We really could do with a Maxine waters type here calling things for what they really are. I did like how she spoke about the "Kremlin Clan" surrounding Trump well before this all hit the fan. It turns out she was right on the money. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 3:08:54 PM
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Dear Paul and Steele,
I remember decades ago when my husband and I were seated in the waiting-room of a hospital patiently waiting to be called. A nurse came up to my husband and loudly asked him "Do you need an interpreter?" She was an older lady and had obviously made the unfortunate assumption that my husband did not speak English because he had a "foreign" surname. To which my husband replied in his eloquent English accent, "Why, doesn't the doctor speak English?" I wonder if this would still happen today? Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 3:22:33 PM
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Foxy,
I would probably like your husband. Paul, Now we know why you are super-sensitive to matters racial, and why you imagine racism abounds in Australia: your wife could be mistaken for an aboriginal, or so you tell us. Any half- decent shop assistant would be right onto anyone who showed an interest in their wares by lifting a garment from a rack. There might be a sale in it, Mr. Conclusion- Jumper! And the “guard”, perhaps hoping your wife might change her mind, hung around in the hope of making some money if she did. After all, she had nothing to do but chat to another shop assistant until your wife showed interest, did she not? Then, as though you had only just met your wife, you ask her, as you would a stranger, how she felt about the “treatment”. In your time married to this lady, have you not discussed this sort of thing before? Did she really have to tell you that she had put up with 'it’ all her life? Don't you talk to the poor women? If this is really a true story, your wife has her act together more than you do. She is made of sterner stuff. Not thin skinned like you. Or, perhaps this lady is like your Greek neighbour: all in your 'setting racist to rights’ imagination. I’ll never know the truth, but you will be comforted by SillyRedux’s comments on your 'really sad story’, I'm sure. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 4:30:20 PM
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Dear ttbn,
Most people like my husband. He's a very quiet, gentle soul. Totally conservative and the love of my life. I'd be lost without him. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 6:51:59 PM
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ttbn, I have never hidden the fact that my wife is Maori, others can testify to that. I did ask the wife what about that, she was not particularly concerned about the shop person. My wife tends to take a "oh well" attitude to those things, being matter of fact about such nonsense, and she did say the shop probably does have a lot of theft from stock displayed out the front. when she says ."No, I've put up with that all my life." she certainly has, from the first day of school when a white teacher pinned a European name on her dress and declared we will call you "XXXX", like all the school children the name had to be used in place of her native name, and it stuck, she is still known by her European name, but some years later she assumed her Maori name once more, and now has both. As a 5 year old, "T" was given the strap on the legs if she spoke to other children in te reo Maori, the edict was, English only was to be spoken in school, that was made quite clear to all. Fortunately the native language could not be killed off, and many including my wife still speak it fluently. Things have substantially changed since 1954.
I do not believe racism is rampant in Australia, what some people do is stereotype others based on race, or some characteristic they do not agree with. For example some stigmatise all Muslims as crazed radial jihadists, when the reality is somewhat different. There was an isolated racially motivated attack in Sydney last Thursday. http://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/man-allegedly-targeted-asian-people-in-random-randwick-rampage-20180518-p4zg0m.html BTW, sometimes my wife gets extremely good service in dress shops, too good in fact, and she then over spends. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 8:36:44 PM
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I didn't accuse you of concealing the fact that your wife is Maori. I just didn't know, but having found out, I thought that that might have something to do with your sensitivity to racism.
I can think of no reason why you would conceal your wife's race, and while you might think I have a tendency towards racism, I assure you that race doesn't enter into affairs of the heart, in my opinion. I don't know why you still insist that dislike of Muslims is connected to race. Muslims come from all races. It's the religion that is the problem, and I will never like like anyone who adheres to it, irrespective of race Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 10:04:09 PM
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ttbn, as language is dynamic and not static, the meaning of words changes over time. The meaning of racism has tended to be broadened to include more than simply race. True, Muslims are of many and varied race, so the correct word might be prejudiced, with a tendency towards bigoted.
Some of our politicians over play the race card. Not necessarily meaning to insight mass hatred of others based on some poor extrapolation of the facts, pandering to peoples fears, they do it for political advantage, it is a most effective, but a dangerous practice, in my view . I do not believe there is any place in our society for such politicians. Today Australia is not ready for a "Hitler", but tomorrow could be a different story. You might like this on, believe it or not, I myself have been subjected to racism. Once in Fiji an Indian Fijian public bus ticket seller refused to sell me two tickets on the 'Suva Express', because I was white, probably believing he's got money, Europeans should catch taxi's and leave the buses for the locals, few Europeans use the public bus system in Fiji. Then a stranger, a big Fijian bloke intervened telling the Indian "sell him the tickets, you racists bastard!" etc etc etc. Turned out the big Fijian was the local police Sargent in civvies, on his way to Suva. The copper had no love for Indians, good to have friends in high places, he put the three of us at the head of the long queue of those waiting, and what's more got us seats on the crowded bus, by telling three young guys to "move". If no $5 bus ticket, it would be an $80 taxi ride to where we were headed. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 6:55:59 AM
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Did you think that Fijians and other non-whites and other races were not just as racist some whites?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:18:49 AM
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ttbn, racism is not simply a factor of skin colour, far from it, there are many reasons that make people raciest. For me, a person is racists if for no other reason, they unrealistically stigmatize an entire group based on preconceived prejudices which they apply to the entire group. Racism on a broad scale is applied by a dominant group in society over a weaker group who they easily identify by some unifying characteristic, which could be, but not necessarily limited to, race.
A person who hates all Muslims may not be a racists by the narrowest of definitions, but for all intention purposes such a bigot fits the description. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 8:31:19 PM
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Paul1405,
The people I discuss with all aspects of what life throws at us, I am not aware of anyone hating all Muslims. It's the fanatics & the terrorists in particular who are the subject of extreme dislike, not hatred. Such extreme words are usually reserved for those who have nothing but the race card to play with. I am offended for having to pay taxes that end up being squandered on vermin for want of a better description. I have lived with indigenous people for many, many years & even most of my indigenous friends & acquaintants agree with my observations. They too are sick & tired of the incessant squealing about racism. It's high time the racists came up with a new sqeal. Posted by individual, Friday, 25 May 2018 1:00:04 PM
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Paul,
Racism is about race, nothing more. You said something about language “evolving’ earlier. Language doesn't change; it is by bastardised, generally by the uneducated, to suit their own purposes. 'Racist’ is one of the many words which are meaningless coming from the mouths of most people who use it as a form of abuse. I love to see it used because I know the person using it is a dill. Hearing it is more pleasurable than the smell of napalm in the morning. So, if you don't like my feelings about Muslims, you will need to call me a bigot; not that it will change my feelings about Muslims. individual, I dislike ( not hate) all Muslims, because they persist in believing in the words of a homicidal maniac. However, I am always pleasant to my dentist 's head-scarfed Muslim nurse. In my daily walks, I always look to speak to or smile at multiculturals, whose presence in Australia I disapprove of, because it's what I do. (most of them don't want look at me, but I always look to see if they do). All people are free to decide who they like and who they don't like. Posted by ttbn, Friday, 25 May 2018 1:42:45 PM
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All people are free to decide who they like and who they don't like.
ttbn, Would be great if we as taxpayers had the same choice in deciding whom our money should not be wasted on.. Posted by individual, Sunday, 27 May 2018 8:09:14 AM
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individual,
Yes, it would be nice. Sadly, we are more likely to lose the ability to choose who we like, as well, rather than be given the chance to say how our money is spent by the rapacious Australian political class. LNP or Labor, we are being dudded more and more. Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 27 May 2018 9:00:07 AM
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Turnbull, on $527,854 is the highest paid politician in the OECD - plus private income and fortune. A 100 grand more than Trump, despite the difference in population and economy between Australia and America.
WTF would be know what it's like for most Australians as he encourages horrendously 'alternative’ energy and gouging by foreign power companies. When he spends our money like the madman he is, he is not giving us a thought. Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:15:40 AM
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Talking about words, and racism ...
Our language reflects our view of the world, and so it is always changing. New words are being added all the time as discoveries are made in medicine, science, and technology. You can probably think of many examples of this. Words for things no longer in use are dropped from our everyday language. In the same way, new words are used for sociological changes (changes in the way society functions). For example, words like "unisex" reflect our changed attitudes to men and women. This word would have been meaningless in past years when men and women were expected to dress and act differently. Compare the language of extracts from old books and reports with the way we express ourselves today. As for racism? Racism is the belief that one racial or ethnic group is inferior to another and that the unequal treatment is therefore justified. The characteristic feature of racist ideologies is that they try to make social and economic inequalities among racial and ethnic groups seem "natural" or "right." Although racism is found among different peoples in societies all over the world, racism reached its most extreme form during the course of this century in the rantings of Adolf Hitler, a short dark man who believed that the tall, blond, blue-eyed "Aryan" race was infinitely superior to all others, destined to rule the world, and had to maintain its racial purity. In spite of the fact that there is no such thing as an "Aryan" race, Hitler's theories fired Germany with a sense of national identity - and led to concentration camps, gas chambers, and a global war. Ironically, the American forces that helped destroy Nazi Germany fought Hitler with a racially segregated army, and fed German prisoners of war in canteens where black American soldiers were refused service. Today, racist ideology is considered so desreputable that few people or governments, whatever their private attitudes, dare to openly endorse a racist attitude. Yet racism, often subtle in form, is still commonplace in the modern world. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 27 May 2018 2:24:32 PM
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The very "private" Barnyard Joyce is flogging his sordid little story to channel 9 for $150,000, talk about cashing in. How much has this worthless fool cost the taxpayer already? If you said one million dollars you would still be way short of the mark. As a politician he's a buffoon, as a human being, well, you can draw your own conclusion. Then again you have to remember he is a member of the National Party after all.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 28 May 2018 8:29:32 AM
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//I dislike ( not hate) all Muslims, because they persist in believing in the words of a homicidal maniac, (who Charlie Manson). However, I am always pleasant to my dentist 's head-scarfed Muslim nurse (and believer in the words of a homicidal maniac. Are you not a wee bit concerned that whilst under the influence of the laughing gas she might put Charlie's words into action) . In my daily walks, I always look to speak to or smile at multiculturals (What are they? pizza adds, the menu at the local Chinese restaurant) , whose presence in Australia I disapprove of (but it pays to advertise), because it's what I do (professionally or on an amateur basis). most of them don't want look at me, but I always look to see if they do (I'm looking to see if they're looking, and if they're looking I'm looking to see if they are looking. Look, am I clear on that?). All people are free to decide who they like and who they don't like (like who, the homicidal maniac believing dental nurse in the strange head gear down at the dental clinic)//
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 28 May 2018 9:16:42 AM
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Congresswoman, Maxine Waters, In a heated exchange with a Congressman about discrimination, yelled at her adversary that, “I am more offended as an African American than you will ever be”. Congratulations, Maxine.
Carlson Tucker awarded her the gold medal for being offended.