Dear Josephus,

What we are talking about here is a person who is a
role model for young people, who has the capacity to
reach a wide audience and whose speech carries more
moral weight than any other ordinary person in the
community who has failed to appreciate the special
responsibilities he carries as that role model for
young people.

The responsibility that attaches to freedom of speech
is the responsibility not to use one's words or one's
position to hurt people.

Folau chose to single out gay people and to put the
word "hell" into capital letters, which as stated earlier
is widely interpreted as the online equivalent of yelling.

Considering his position he has to be careful not to abuse
his responsibilities. As the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney
Glenn Davies stated, "I would say, always think twice
before you write on social media."

In other words, be respectful. Apply some common sense.
We're all entitled to our opinions. But most intelligent
people would apply discretion as to when and how we express
those opinions. It's also good manners to think before you
speak, and how you speak. Very few people would stand
outside a mosque and shout, "Terrorists!" at the top of their
lungs. Or for that matter very few homosexuals, rapists,
and others, would also espouse their views outside
Christian Churches either. And there would be consequences
if they did. People need to champion the responsibilities they
take on just as much as the freedoms they are accorded.

A bit of common sense and decency never goes astray.

I think that depends on how one defines “abuse”, Josephus.

<<Does Folau demonstrate violence or abuse exclusively toward homosexuals in his game or on the street, which you seen to imply is criteria of hate?>>

I didn’t mean to imply that they were the criteria for hate. Hate is a feeling. They would, however, demonstrate that feelings of hate exist.

<<Can you say he hates homosexuals in his sport?>>

(Why just in his sport?)

No, I can’t. However, if he believes that gay people are deserving of Hell (a distinction I made at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=19678#348708), then I think it would be safe to assume that he hates them.

<<If you know his views you would see all persons are going to hell because they are sinners unless they repent of their sins.>>

I made a similar observation:

“According to this idiot, most of us are going to hell for one reason or another.” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=19678#348699)

I’m more interested in whether he thinks they deserve it, though.

Oh my god! ttbn is being bigoted against established churches! Is Folau's church a mobile one on wheels towed around by enslaved black homosexuals? This is enough to turn one to drink. What's needed is a good bad woman, Fr Joe do you have the number of that Mariana chick!

I rang!

Oh my god! My world is shattered, the worlds greatest soccer player Mariana is gay!

Issy, can you please check with the Pope on this, he's unbelievable when it come to religious matters!

Oh god! it bloody hot down here in HELL (note the bloody capitals, I'm yelling, you would to if your arse was on fire), can someone please turn up the air con for us 7 billion sinners! AJ a cold beer wouldn't go astray either!

The fantastic thing about these threads, started by dimwits like Josephus, is that all the troglodytes of religion jump in showing their bigotry, their hatred, their lack of knowledge and their lack of any moral fibre, whilst still having the audacity to call themselves Christian.

Jesus would be so proud!

But even more fantastic than that is people like the reasonable educated people amongst us can actually prove them wrong over and over again.

Their lying claims to follow Jesus are proven over and over to be totally false...lmao

The saddest part is that Josephus claims to be a Bible scholar...lmao It's more likely that he filed Bibles in the Vatican library and one accidentally fell open and he thought that made him a scholar for all he knows...lmao

One of his more inglorious lying claims is this...Josephus claimed to "have read every verse in the various translations of the Bible over 40 times in my 77 years".

How many translations of the Bible are there Josephus...Come on fess up that is BS! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations

He claimed to have read...EVERY verse...in EVERY translation... OVER 40 times?

Sadly for Josephus I knew it was a lie and pointed his moral ineptitude out to him...

These believers make the following errors...they

Say who will and won't go to heaven...lmao

Quote the Bible wrongly and get caught out continually...lmao

Prove continually that they don't follow Jesus...Josephus failed these on this thread alone http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8228#255866

Don't object to...lying to and indoctrinating children, scaring children with lies of Satan and hell, falsifying their credentials and belief, altering the Fact that Bible heroes were Psychopaths, manic depressives and liars and undermining God totally with their beliefs.

Religion is a mental illness and these liars are mentally ill. The facts prove it over and over again.

Sadly they will use hate speech and hide behind the free speech argument to justify their bigotry and hatred.

We all must continually question, the claims of these people claiming to be religious or Christian, because their claims never stand up to reasonable analysis.

On here they fade to dust before our eyes...lmao

Paul,

"Issy, can you please check with the Pope on this, he's unbelievable when it come to religious matters!"

You made the statement, it's up to you to back it up; or are you going to do the usual and weasel out?

//I note we are descending into the subject of homosexuality//

Funny, that seems to happen a lot when you're around, Josephus. Just sayin' ;)

//According to you they have no right to hold such a view or the right to express it. According to you there is only one view allowed in this Marxist totalitarian State//

So, dragging this conversation away from the scintillating and titillating subject of homosexuality and back to the subject of freedom of expression: some questions for you, Josephus. Was it the work of the Marxist totalitarian state you claim we live in (pardon?) when Todd Carney was sacked for expressing himself in a manner that was stupid and offensive but neither criminal nor sinful? If not, why not? Or was his sacking justified simply on the grounds that his behaviour was so grossly stupid and offensive? If you feel that Carney's sacking was warranted, could you please explain why you believe that to be the case?

And have you managed to come up with any answers I posed to you last night on this subject, which you ignored? They weren't rhetorical.