Part 2.
PALE, I wish you all the best in your endeavors. I know several farmers who, like Steven, couldn't care less about the barbarity and callous cruelty inflicted upon exported animals. All they see is the dollars flowing in to prop up otherwise unproductive farming practices. I never mention live exports to them any more. One in particular is also a deeply feeling person whom I hold in great respect, but he's caught between a rock and a hard place. To sell out his family and farm, or to sell to the live trade industry. PALE, you've made a tough call to fight the live export trade.

PALE, you will notice an uncharacteristic 'cut and paste' error in my "Part 1" post. That's the trouble with word limits. I had to hurriedly cut and paste some of the content into a 'Part 2' post and messed it up. Hopefully the context will not be lost.

PALE, I noticed you haven't posted again today. I've been trained to ignore human sentiment, yet even so, I can't help feeling a little annoyed by your 'hit & run' post earlier this morning. Still, I said I'd read through your email and reply on this site and having had the time to read through it as promised, I must say that I'd find it hard to reiterate on each point you wrote in your email without including the entire two sided conversation, which due to word limit, is quite impossible.

PALE, you once asked me to contact you again after my particularly heavy work schedule last June had ended. It sounded like a friendly invitation to email you in the future, which I did a couple of days ago. That message was meant to be a personal and friendly communication from me to you. I really didn't expect you to respond the way you did on this forum. I'm sorry, but I now feel it would be best if we walk our own paths. I have removed your email address from my address book and I expect you to do the same with mine. I might also add that I believe this is my last allowable post for the next 24 hours, so should you reply to this post, be aware that I am unable to respond for at least 24 hours.

Aime

I apoligise.

The truth is I did not get your email but that was not your fault.
After I read your post I went down stairs to our other office and there it was.

We have seven computers and every now and then they go hay wire.
Yes I guess I have to addmitt I started to be concerned thinking perhaps it was somebody else playing games.


There has been plenty of that.

I appreciate the offer Ammie to keep some of comments private.

We are just a bunch of straight members of the public who tell it like it is.


We want to know why we were warned that QLD Democrats would never work with us and if we wanted to know anything we would have to go through an interstate.

So Yes We Want to know Whats Wrong with the Democrats in QLD

Any Senator has a duty to treat his local people with the same repect as people from another state.

What has come out of this is even John Howards office agree we need a Bill to ensure a Sentor divides his or her time equally between their own electorate and others.

We need a Bill to keep the bastards honest. We especially want to know why QLD Democrats you showed no interest in our unique MOU with muslim Leaders working to faze out live exports and create jobs for aboriginal people in QLD.

Whats wrong with the Democrats indeed.?

I put my number on the email because there is too much to write if your really interested about the this issue of the Democrats. You asked and We tried to give some answers. Although I agree it cant really be done here- space given.
We certainly wont miss them and we will contiune to jig to get to the bottom of this clicky unfair system that is well enternched because I tell you this much Ammie.
I think the Democrats have pulled the wool over many peoples eyes with their ALP buddies and preferences.

Please refer to posts in response to Andrew Bartlett's article "A crisis in housing affordability" at:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4834#53462

A serious flaw in the Democrats (and the Greens I might add) is their refusal to acknowledge that overpopulation, driven principally by record high immigration, is a major driver of many of our social, economic and environmental problems. In particular, it is the principle cause (as openly anticipated and welcomed by land speculators and property developers) of Australia's housing hyper-inflation.

Of course many will throw up their hands in horror at any questioning of the sacred cow of uncritical support for whatever levels of immigration Australia's growth lobby (http://candobetter.org/sheila/growthLobbyAndImmigration.pdf) deems necessary to serve their narrow sectional interests, but with our capital cities now running out of water, and rural communities such as that in the Mary Valley (http://www.savethemaryriver.com) threatened with inundation by dams in an attempt to make up the shortfall in the supply of water, it is a question that deserves some serious attention within the Democrats especially if it wishes tp be taken seriously as an environmental organisation.

Also, please refer to a question I put to Andrew Bartlett which has yet to be answered at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6002#85110 in response to his article "Australia’s oversized footprint". The question I put was:

"Andrew, last time we discussed population levels, you countenanced immigration of around 110,000 (see http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4099#29482).
had you noticed that annual immigration might be as high as 300,000? (See Ross Gittins 'Back Scratching at a National Level', 12 June 07 at http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/backscratching-at-a-national-level/2007/06/12/1181414298095.html) of which only 13,000 are classified as humanitarian immigrants?"

Dagget, that "candobetter" link is a rather long read and I need time to sit down and go over it properly, but a brief run-through appears to confirm my belief that immigration is much more than simply excessive in this country. Actually, it's one of my pet hates and if you have any other links to groups that oppose such high levels of immigration. I'd welcome them.

I actually wrote a letter to the Democrats in relation to this issue and so far have only received a prompt, but cursory reply. It seems that all political parties are tarred with the same brush...... massive immigration, or perish!

Yet, I'm sure even the immigrants came here because of what they perceived Australia to be, a land of wide open spaces and affordable housing. Mind you, a legal immigrant has it far, far better than a struggling young couple attempting to enter the housing market. I may be wrong, but aren't new immigrants given a Government hand-out to the tune of $70,000 each as a means of establishing themselves? If not, how is it that newly arrived immigrants in my nearest large inland city are driving around in late model Commodores and brand new Hyundais? My youngest son and his wife are paying off a mortgage and have to make do with a 17 year old car. I'm sure they would welcome a $70,000 hand-out to give them a "leg up!"

And before anyone starts, no! I'm not racist. I welcome all people no matter their religion (or not), their color or their country of origin. My gripe is with any Government who insists on flooding our beautiful country with excessive numbers of people who in turn place excessive strains on our ability to provide the basics of life.....water, shelter and food.