Aime
We tried to assist the QLD Branch.
It got to the stage we simply gave up from lack of interest- and it wasn`t ours either.

I spoke to Andrew several times about strenght with the local QLD people.

We offered free offices and non paid staff.
New leader several days before she was officially posted and I had a long chat.
She was amazed when told the offers that were ignored.

She said she would make sure people who had offered their services were contacted.
Nothing ever happend.
We continued to try to support them anyway.
Several of our people emailed , phoned their office from two months before the elections to see if they were needed to help at the booths.
Nobody bothered answering.

On the day of the elections we noticed nobody was their for them at the schools here on the gold coast.
We found a box of vote dems somebody had simply left their and took it upon ourselves to at least hand them out.
Not so long after that we held a rally to protest the live Animal Export trade in Surfers Paradise.
We were stunned when several animal liberation people arrived claiming Andrew had instructed them not to stand next to us on world animal day.
Two of the people were in fact the same!ladies who helped hand out the how to vote papers for the Dems.
Needless to say its not a good way to treat the locals who supported you.
Especially when they were the only ones!

Andrew we are informed simply sticks with his veggie friends and shuns others.
What really upset the people we know was his veggie mates are not even in QLD.
Putting aside ALL personal feelings- Its simply wrong for these leaders to refuse to give equal time to all.

Especially when these people were his local QLD people who voted for him and supported him.

There were one hundred and twenty people in all Ammie and I would suggest thats a hundred and twenty votes QLD Dems wont be getting next time.

Andrew
If you are reading this as we are speaking of keeping the bastards honest please answer the following questions.

Why did you take no interest in the subbmishion to your senate enquiry into Animal Welfare lodged by the Australian federation Of Islamic Council PALE and RSPCA QLD[ this one]-?
http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html

Also why did you personally according to your web master order her to remove this from your web page shortly after.>?
http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

Considering you have been the face of Animal Welfare in Australia for many years its extremly cuorious you would ignore a two thousand year step ahead for Animal Welfare.

Then of course you ingorned the AFIC media Release put out by Muslim leaders of Australia asking the media to be reasonsible and report the REAL reasons for this barbaric trade.

Last but not least why didnt you tell the public AWB were live exporters at the enquiry?[ After all it was in their interest and we sent you the proof docs.[ We sent it to your veggie friends as well.

Are they fund raisers or is this political or both?

So speaking of keeping the bastards honest Andrew how about you explain your actions[ and lack of]

Whats the matter Senator did these people do their job too well.?
By the way didnt the Dems always give their preferences to Labour?

At least Bob Brown is fair dinkim- like him or hate him

PALE, you've obviously been given some undertaking in the past that the Democrats would be interesting in supporting your cause. It's equally obvious that you at one time considered them a likely ally and have since been disappointed.
I'm afraid I'm not privy to all that transpired between your group and the Dems and feel this is not the place to delve further into the matter. I do, however, have your email address from previous correspondence and will email shortly providing you with the opportunity to provided a full explanation of your dealings with the Australian Democrats.

Ammie.

No

Never was given an undertaking.

Took years to get a reply.

Then it was only because Silvia [ one of Andrews old contacts] rang him emailed him over the next three years.

fyi Andrew used to be the President of Animal liberation many years ago in Brisbane.

It was because we heard that we felt we had an ali.

Pluss of course he was our local QLD rep.

We noticed he had at that time on his web page Animal Welfare groups from Melbourne and wanted to introduce ourselves as a Local QLD group.

We were very excited about the fact the Muslim Leaders of Australia [ AFIC] were working together with us to try to get the truth out to the members of the public on the live animal export issue.

If you scroll down the bottom of this page you can read their Media R-
http://www.livexports.com/

I received your email and I have answered questions as best as possibly given time.

I am not sure if this thread isnt the right place to answer questions however Ammie.

You asked the public to comment on -Whats wrong with the Democrats
and I posted on some of our experiences.

Isnt it only fair that the other readers get to see the questions and answers.

fyi Ammie. Andrew did attend one of our meetings several years ago.

PALE invited him to meet with the CEO[at that time] myself members of the AMIEU and Peter Beatties reps.

It was a proposal to the QLD Government to spear head co joint owned Halal farms and plants to provide training and jobs to Aboriginal and Regional areas of QLD.

Of course by doing this it was fazing out sending the Animals live.

What a wonderful policy for the Democrates to have adopted.

What a missed oportunity.

There has been no Interest from the QLD Leader of the Democrates nor head office.


I also wish to make it clear to all readers this post is not! about Animal Welfare.

It is however in Answer to your thread.

Whats wrong with the Democrates.


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I don't give a damn about live animal exports.

Stevenlmyer

We dont care what you dont care about Steven.
You dont have to give a dam about Animal Cruelty Steven.
As a matter of fact I went to great pain to outline my post had nothing to do with Live exports.
Ammies Question was- Whats wrong with the Democrats.

I am doing my best to answer her. Of course as my work is regardings Animal Welfare it would be my point of contact with the Democrats.

I would have thought most people understood that.

My answer went to the bone of Ammies thread and provides some answers to her question.

Has it ever occured to people that their is no Bill to oversea how a Senator performs.? Once elected they seem to be answerable to nobody.

Lets say for example you are a Senator and you are meeting and working with a group who support the kids for cancer in another State.
I think that everybody would agree as a member of Parliment and as a person that could only a good thing.

However what if that same Senator ONLY met with the interstate and refused the local group helping the local kids. That would not be a good thing.

When you start ignoring your local people it usually reflects in the polls.

Thats One thing you can put down on your list in Answers to What`s Wrong With The Democrats.

Of course I can really only speak for QLD

Of course on top of that you have to also take into consideration people who have no compashion for the suffering of others.

That would explain much in this world.

Be it Animals Suffering or the local people.
The QLD Senator certainly DOES have compashion.
So I guess its a strange case of misloyalty.
Whatever it is its a great shame Ammie because more than the Animals miss out.
The locals miss out and the Animals however so do the Democrats.