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Voting above the line? Read this.

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Roughly 95% of Australians vote above the line in the senate. This makes voting far easier and gives considerable negotiating power to the party you vote for. The downside is that many people are unaware of how their favourite party distributes preferences and may not agree with where their vote ends up. The table below makes it easier for people to figure what will happen to their senate vote. The information is from the Australian Electoral Commission website. It is based on the senate group voting tickets provided by each party in NSW for the last federal election (other state senate tickets are likely to be very similar – check the aec website if you have concerns). New tickets will be issued after the next federal election is called.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/senate-group-voting-tickets-above-line-guide.html
Posted by freediver, Friday, 13 July 2007 12:13:50 PM
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or you could vote 'independent', and break the standover gangs that currently run oz.
Posted by DEMOS, Friday, 13 July 2007 2:30:25 PM
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You think every party and unaffiliated group of candidates represents some kind of standover gang that is qualitiatively different from independent candidates? The way I see it, the only difference is that the independents are less organised. If they were popular enough a group or party would form behind them. To reject such help while trying to gain a seat representing an entire state is just foolish.
Posted by freediver, Friday, 13 July 2007 2:39:26 PM
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As a person who has been standing in various elections as a candidate and who is a “constitutionalist” I make it clear that only a fool would accept we have FAIR and PROPER elections.
The framers of the Constitution made clear that even the “POOR” SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND AS A CANDIDATE.
Well, lets see, political parties can spend ahead of the election on television commercials, etc, because they know that about 40 million dollars will be paid to them for the $1.95 per primary vote. An independent candidate does not have this. In any event this payment is unconstitutional.

A Independent candidate has to do a “mini-election” designed to thwart of candidates so they have to get 50 nominations. An Independent sitting Member of Parliament does not have to do so and neither a candidate belonging to a political party.
An independent candidate has to fork out his own campaign cost, a candidate who is a Member of Parliament has tens of thousands of dollars worth of postage and other facilities at cost of the taxpayers.

And on and on it goes.

Then, in 2001 I detected that all writs issued for the federal election were unconstitutional/defective in law and so took it to the Courts (before the elections were held). The courts refused to allow the case to proceed and the PURPORTED elections were held in 2001 and later also on 2004.
Albeit I was a candidate in both elections I refused to vote on various grounds such as;

- all writs were unconstitutional hence no valid election was being held
- all writs were defective and hence no valid election was being held
- the Commonwealth of Australia was specifically denied any legislative powers to make voting compulsory

and a lot more.

On 19 July 2006 I succeeded, after a 5-year legal battle, on all grounds UNCHALLENGED!

Without a FAIR and PROPER election I will continue to vote in a fictional election!
At least I had the backbone to stand up for my rights.

Consider-this,-as-the-2001-and-2004-federal-elections-were-constitutionally-invalid,-as-I-succeeded-on-this-in-Court,-then-who-and-what-is-John-Howard-you-may-ask! Certainly not being a Prime Minister!
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 9:25:49 PM
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As a person who has been standing in various elections as a candidate and who is a “constitutionalist” I make it clear that only a fool would accept we have FAIR and PROPER elections.
The framers of the Constitution made clear that even the “POOR” SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND AS A CANDIDATE.
Well, lets see, political parties can spend ahead of the election on television commercials, etc, because they know that about 40 million dollars will be paid to them for the $1.95 per primary vote. An independent candidate does not have this. In any event this payment is unconstitutional.

A Independent candidate has to do a “mini-election” designed to thwart of candidates so they have to get 50 nominations. An Independent sitting Member of Parliament does not have to do so and neither a candidate belonging to a political party.
An independent candidate has to fork out his own campaign cost, a candidate who is a Member of Parliament has tens of thousands of dollars worth of postage and other facilities at cost of the taxpayers.

And on and on it goes.

Then, in 2001 I detected that all writs issued for the federal election were unconstitutional/defective in law and so took it to the Courts (before the elections were held). The courts refused to allow the case to proceed and the PURPORTED elections were held in 2001 and later also on 2004.
Albeit I was a candidate in both elections I refused to vote on various grounds such as;

- all writs were unconstitutional hence no valid election was being held
- all writs were defective and hence no valid election was being held
- the Commonwealth of Australia was specifically denied any legislative powers to make voting compulsory

and a lot more.

On 19 July 2006 I succeeded, after a 5-year legal battle, on all grounds UNCHALLENGED!

Without a FAIR and PROPER election I will continue to REFUSE to vote in a fictional election!
At least I had the backbone to stand up for my rights.

Consider-this,-as-the-2001-and-2004-federal-elections-were-constitutionally-invalid,-as-I-succeeded-on-this-in-Court,-then-who-and-what-is-John-Howard-you-may-ask! Certainly not being a Prime Minister!
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 9:26:32 PM
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"An independent candidate has to fork out his own campaign cost, a candidate who is a Member of Parliament has tens of thousands of dollars worth of postage and other facilities at cost of the taxpayers."

Are they allowed to spend that on their election campaign?

"On 19 July 2006 I succeeded, after a 5-year legal battle, on all grounds UNCHALLENGED!"

Succeeded with what exactly? Can you link to some more info?

Why are you standing for election when you object to the election and don't even vote yourself? Do you tell your supporters not to vote?
Posted by freediver, Friday, 20 July 2007 3:55:17 PM
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