In most of what I write about Islam, I am arguing that there are serious dangers in the growth of the Islamic community in Australia (and any Western Country). That danger has many dimensions, some more serious than others.
a) Rising conflict between the value systems. (Cronulla, Sth_West Sydney, Refusal of Taxi's to take guide_dogs,alchohol)

b) Possible Terrorism from the radical end of the Muslim population and ideological spectrum. (Terrorism trials Sydney, Melbourne, arrests in Brisbane)

c)Increasing claims of special treatment for Muslims, which can lead to social disharmony.(Specifically 'Muslim' prayer halls at universities, Airports, special washing facilities,(USA))

REFUGE and DECEPTION.
The reality of these dangers (which have as their ultimate goal and objective an Islamic State) is found in the very earliest examples of Christian Muslim relations, as outlined on the Islamic web site below:

http://soundvision.com/Info/jesus/MuslimChristianRelations.asp

The Muslims sought refuge in Habasha, modern day Ethiopia, after suffering starvation and torture at the hands of the polytheistic Makkans. The Prophet Muhammad said about the Negus and Habasha: "a king rules without injustice, a land of truthfulness."
Christian King... Just Rule... land of Truth. (spoken by Mohammad himself)

What 'changed' that in Surah 9:30 Mohammad says “They (Christians) are deluded, away from truth, ALLAH'S CURSE IS ON THEM”

These words were uttered during the period of Tabuk, when Mohammad was trying to co-erce Arab Christians into alliance with him and provide a buffer between himself and the Byzantines Empire.

Such a shift in ideology has to have an explanation.

Now note the elements of the 'grand deception' which took place even in the face of such kindness.

ETHIOPIA (Habasha).. “we need you” so.. they spoke very selectively about 'How much we have in common' reading deceptivly from Surah 19 choosing words no Christian would disagree with on the surface.

TABUK (Surah 9) “We are strong, comply with us or we will destroy you” So said Kalid bin Waleed (Mohammad's General) to Christian prince Ukaydir of Duma, (after Waleed had murdered Hashim the princes brother)

Note: In both cases, Mohammad himself was the Muslim ruler.

Is there a lesson here ?

If Islam is treated as a political system and their agendas put on the table where it can be scrutinised and criticised I don’t think it could survive in any society other than where logical thought is replaced with dogma and repression.

The Islamic political agenda is veiled with religious mumbo jumbo with all sorts of unrealistic promises of paradise and hell. They are very successful in providing the hell but the promises of paradise are reminiscent of where Christianity was in 13th century and often more fanciful.

BOAZ is 100% right to state that there are serious dangers in the growth of the Islamic community in Australia (and any Western Country). Just read "Londonistan" by Melanie Phillips to see what Islam is doing to the UK.
Islam does not want to live in peace with the West, it wants to destroy the whole system and replace it with a world-wide caliphate.
Australia, don't be another UK.

Agreed. People's ignorance of Islam's doctrines necessitates the need to educate and speak out. The backbone of Islam, that is the doctrine of Jihad is all about subjugating non-muslims. The redd herring thrown in from time to time that Jihad also means inner struggle is exactly that, a distraction from the main issue. Nobody is concerned about inner struggle jihad.

Fortunately we have these forums to discuss and debate. Otherwise one of Allah's little helpers might get to us, as were the critics of Muhammed (May Allah Bless His Immaculately Divine Soul).

Peace

Nothing changes, eh Boaz?

Yet another thread dedicated to your obsession, denigrating Islam.

But I have to tell you that my three weeks in Europe have provided me with some additional perspective on your pointless paranoia, and on the fear you attempt to engender in the good people of this right little, tight little island.

I was there for both of the UK's failed attacks, the London car bombs and the Glasgow airport attempt. Leaving aside the sheer banality of their incompetence, they provided a good opportunity, as you can imagine, to chat with the natives about the situation.

And while there is still a marginal element over there that insists this is evidence of a coordinated attempt by Islamists to seize power from the UK government, the majority takes a more sanguine view.

Their new Prime Minister has even begun - so obvious in hindsight - to refer to the terrorists as criminals, thus taking the first step to re-categorizing them as murderers instead of some form of religious martyrs.

That strange creature, the "man in the street", is of course mightily annoyed by the continuing nuisance they cause. Security rituals are reaching ludicrous levels, and in fact form the terrorists' biggest victory, which can only be to cause the maximum of inconvenience.

In the face of both the reality of what the UK faces, and their reaction, your attempt to raise our fear-levels seems a little pale.

If the symptoms here are in fact those you describe at the head of this thread - "Cronulla, Sth_West Sydney, Refusal of Taxi's to take guide_dogs,alchohol (sic all)" - I believe we should all still sleep easy in our beds.

If the situation is as under control as you suggest - "Terrorism trials Sydney, Melbourne, arrests in Brisbane" - we could deduce that the authorities are exercising the necessary caution and diligence.

If the future threats to our way of life are as you say - "Specifically 'Muslim' prayer halls at universities, Airports, special washing facilities,(USA)" - I'm sure that fair-minded people would not consider them to be particularly burdensome.

Pericles, have you ever read the Quran and ahadith?

Do you know about the hate and violence in their sacred texts? Do you know that Islam's own traditions tell us that Mohammud murdered, tortured, plundered, enslaved, raped, preached hate and even beat his wife. These are not found in obsure books, but in the most reliable hadiths and in the very earliest works of Islam (Buhkari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tabari, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Ishaq, Kathir, Hisham, etc...). It is not one or two stories, either, but hundreds of vile actions found in all accounts.

And yet Muslims say "Praise be unto him" after this man's name.

Tell me, why should we trust a people that do this? Please don't tell me that Muslims have not heard these accusations about their dear leader - either they don't care enough to read their own traditions, or they just don't care. Either way, it doesn't inspire confidence.

And what about us, the "Islam bashers"? Do you doubt that we would be dead if in an Islamic society? Why? Because we have opinions Muslims don't like? Because we tell lies, or don't tell lies? Yes, Muslims usually let infidels live, as long as we don't say anything they don't like, including the truth.

You will notice that our Muslim friends here that defend Islam and who would probabbly say that we shouldn't be killed for our opinions don't live in Islamic countries. How can we know if they are sincere?

Regarding the historical perspective, the fact is that Christians at least are (more) honest about the vile things they have done in the last 1600 years - but I can't say the same about Muslims - starting with their dear prophet. Anyway the past is past. How about Muslim countries starting to respect other religions where they dominate? Why don't they let other religions live, worship and preach openly, without any restrictions and persecutions?

Of course, once you link to a text like this:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4321
or this
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/038.sat.html#038.4348
and Muslims still say "Praise be unto him" then .... Well, you figure it out.

Kactuz