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No Quarter Given to an Old Soldier by the ABC

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Toni,

The first mistake is that the material is not from British First, it was posted by others first and then shared by BF. These verified videos of unprovoked assaults on unarmed men and women by muslims if anything are demonstrations of racism by an intolerant minority.

The point that the radical left incl the greens are trying to make is that if you don't suppress genuine videos like this you are racist.

Molan has nothing to apologize for. In fact the only grovelling apology was from the moron Bandt who started to realize the consequences of lying on TV.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 11 February 2018 3:55:12 AM
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One-time senator, Bill O'Chee, has described Richard di Natale as a "pestersome popinjay" 'Complete rotter' would be more accurate.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 11 February 2018 8:35:05 AM
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//The first mistake is that the material is not from British First, it was posted by others first and then shared by BF.//

And then shared by Molan.

"Or he [and you] could consider the words of Jo Cox's widower, Brendan, on why legitimising Britain First content through social media is so dangerous.

"When you drive hatred it has consequences, people lose family members. I am testament to that," Cox said, after Donald Trump retweeted posts from the organisation's deputy leader Jayda Fransen.

As Cox told Fairfax Media on Wednesday: "Those who excuse and encourage the hatred of Britain First and their ilk are doing the work of the terrorists for them. Elected politicians cannot claim ignorance and must not be allowed to walk away from the effects of their actions."

Then there's Marek Zakrocki, jailed for driving his car at a curry house owner in north London, who told police "I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain". Zakrocki was a donor to Britain First and had their flyers at his home in Harrow.

In the case of Darren Osborne, who drove a van into Muslims worshipping at the Finsbury Park mosque in London last year killing a father of six, he became radicalised in part by reading Britain First material online. In the weeks leading up to the attack he received an automated direct message from Fransen.

There is a clear pattern between Britain First and violence. Anyone who says, as Molan does, that they are anti-violence misses this critical context and should therefore have no trouble in condemning this organisation and apologising for sharing their content.

Even Donald Trump came to this conclusion. So why does Molan continue to dig in?"
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 11 February 2018 9:47:50 AM
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And why do you to continue to dig in on his behalf? Because apologising would mean losing face in front of the Greens, and that's worse than being seen to legitimise violent extremism? Those are some pretty warped priorities, dude.

You just don't get it, do you mate? You think it's all about some sort of political one-upmanship to make the Greens look foolish (shooting fish), rather than sending a clear message that violent extremists like Britain First have no place in our society. Lending any sort of legitimacy to extremists like Britain First isn't just offensive... it's dangerous and stupid. Even if Molan does not subscribe to their extreme views, even if he did not know who Britain First were when he posted the videos, even if he acted with only the most noble and pure of intentions... it was the wrong thing do and he should apologise for that mistake.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 11 February 2018 9:48:43 AM
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Toni,

Considering that the videos were unedited and cannot be racist in themselves. That JM made no commentary that referred to BF whatsoever means that the left whingers are simply conflating the issue to the point of the absurd.

Given that the radical left are trying to suppress any information that might put their protected minorities in a bad light, it can be argued that the greens are the ones legitimizing extremist violence.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 11 February 2018 2:53:22 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I asked you a direct question based on a direct quote from Molan's from his own book (unless of course you are going to question even him as a reliable source) and you have again attempted to divert the discussion rather than answer it.

Here it is again;

So you tell me mate, Molan says there was only one civilian casualty during that period of fighting. Do you believe it?

Now how about an answer.

If in the event you feel completely incapable of doing so could you at least furnish a reasonable explanation as to why.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 11 February 2018 2:53:27 PM
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