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No Quarter Given to an Old Soldier by the ABC

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Paul,

Hello! There is no such thing as deathless war. War is about killing. I don't like war any more than you do but, when it occurs, I would much prefer my side does the killing rather than them being killed. Innocent people die, yes. Nobody has found a way to avoid that, and none of us are really innocent because we don't take enough notice of what politicians and other nasties do that leads to war.

Remember, nobody hates war more than a soldier. He is the one who has to kill and be prepared to die. A pacifist like you will never understand that, and you really have no business making judgements about things you don't understand.

As far as the real reason I started this thread goes, I'm pleased to see a non-politician like Molan going into politics. He is clearly not going to sit back like the born-to-rule dills and play silly buggers as they do. He has put a Gutless Green (Bandt) back in his box, and I don't think he will tolerate the wet PC bulldust that comes from Bandt and those of his ilk who are constantly trying to undermine the country and people they are supposed to be serving. People like Bandt are a disgrace who represent a mere 10% of the Australian people, whine about offence, but resort to abuse and hate themselves, non-stop. Jim Nolan his the type of bloke the country has been lacking for far too long.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 10 February 2018 8:25:56 AM
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SR,

Through all of this you have yet to enlighten us with a single bit of information that implicates Molan in war crimes. Do you actually have anything or is anything you post not BS.

Paul,

Considering that the greens were active participants in encouraging people smugglers and are complicit in the 1200 people drowning at sea, I guess that there are no real men in the greens.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 10 February 2018 9:25:22 AM
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War occurs as a result of a political decision - usually
a decision by older men that younger men should fight
for what the older men believe to be worth fighting for.
There can be no war unless the leaders of at least two
societies with conflicting interests decide that they
prefer war to any alternative means of settling their
differences. The soldiers themselves go to war - frequently
not knowing that they are fighting for, and usually terrified
of meeting the enemy in battle - because a legitimate political
authority is determined on that course of action.

War is actually a highly structured social activity. It cannot
be sustained without a strong political authority that can
persuade people to risk their lives for a purpose beyond
themselves. Many factors may influence the decision to go to war -
the personalities of the leaders; the influence of nationalist,
religious, or other ideologies; the extent of popular support
for war; the anticipated economic gains or losses; the ambitions
or advice of the military; perceptions or misperceptions of the
other side's motives and intentions; the expected reaction
of the international community; and, of course, expectations about
the likely out-come of the conflict.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 10 February 2018 9:28:02 AM
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In his article 'A lesson for the spiteful Greens' yesterday, Greg Sheridan wrote that “It is perfectly legitimate to criticise his (Jim Molan's) views” but what the Greens did with “calculated, extreme and grossly insulting comments” was an “attack his character …. on the basis of his military service”.

Apart from Brandt, there was McKim, who called Molan a “blatant racist” who “revels in trampling rights and freedoms”. And, the Galah in Chief, di Natale, yapped about Molan causing “hunger and deprivation”, in a “war against a civilian population”.

My natural instincts and sense of decency lead me to accept run of the mill Greens supporters as fellow human beings and fellow Australians, but their spokesmen are utter rubbish. I agree with Sheridan who describes them as “a narrow, sectarian group, imprisoned in their own prejudices”. Their attack on Molan, “one of the bravest and most important soldiers Australia has produced in the past 40 years” was “grotesque”. Sheridan lists just a few of the brave acts in his article
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 10 February 2018 11:06:06 AM
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Good articles from the SMH on why he should apologise for sharing material from a violent extremist organisation:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/why-is-it-so-hard-for-jim-molan-to-apologise-for-sharing-britain-first-material-20180206-h0uycj.html
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/letting-the-far-right-in-how-jim-molan-helped-give-extremism-a-respectable-face-20180208-h0vsal.html
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 10 February 2018 11:28:02 AM
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Shadow, this military hack the Liberal party has roped in as its second choice for the vacant senate seat should fit right in.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 10 February 2018 6:23:16 PM
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