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Fraud and Multiculturalism

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“Hoodwinked”, Jack Cashill, Nelson Current, Publishers, 2005, tells of how many intellectuals and activists who have shaped the way we think have been “fabricating the facts”. The fabrications have been actively promoted by the establishment and published by the media.

The examples of pure fraud start in 1920's America, ranging from Soviet inspired intellectuals intent on defaming the U.S by campaigning against the trial and execution of two cold-blooded killers and robbers on the grounds that they were prosecuted only because they were Italian migrants caught with anarchist political material, through the Kinsey sexual revolution; the creation of an imaginary AIDS crisis among heterosexuals; the almost “pure fraud” of Alex Haley's 'Roots'; the claim that Leftist intellectual, Edward Said was a persecuted Palestinian when he in fact grew up a wealthy American businessman; white college professor claiming to be a Native American when he is not; Pulitzer Prize winner, Walter Duranty, denying Stalin's holocaust (7 million kulaks murdered), among other things peculiar to America, but occurring in Australia on a lesser scale because our extreme Left are still very much learners here, and not as sophisticated as their U.S counterparts, even those from early last century.

What is not just peculiar to America, is the chapter on multiculturalism.

Cashill writes that, “Like cholesterol, multiculturalism has a good kind and a bad kind...the dominant intellectual strain …. is the bad one.”

He calls it zero-sum multiculturalism (ZSM) which, of course, means that if one group gains, another has to lose. ZSM demands not only recognition and elevation of the 'marginalised' culture, but also the debasement of the 'dominant' culture.

ZSM advocates reject the notion of 'sin'. They see evil instead as a by-product of Western culture, and of the economic and religious traditions that sustain it.

Cashill never did produce any data on 'good' multiculturalism. Perhaps he forgot; or perhaps, like me, he couldn't think of any examples.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 9:03:01 AM
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like in Melbourne true crime figures among immigrants (often muslims) are hidden and fiddled with. The regressives hate their fail narratives exposed. See in the US an illegal Mexican uber driver just be charged with 4 rapes. Where is the metoo movement. That's right like prominent actress's its about sides.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 9:55:07 AM
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Hi ttbn,

Many people have questioned the success of multiculturalism
in Australia yet people like Victoria's former premier -
Jeff Kennett believe that multiculturalism in Australia has
been working extremely well. Mr Kennett stated on SBS Radio,
"Most of those who have settled here respect Australia's
laws and its traditions and they come to understand the culture."

"Some don't and there may be reasons for that. We've got to
work harder at it."

And therein lies the secret of Australia's success. Australian
policy makers have always been concerned to ensure that
ethnic enclaves were not created in large numbers as has
happened in countries like Germany and Britain. Australian
policy makers had developed programs of language, and education
of migrants. It is for that reason that it takes migrants
less time to feel at home in Australia than it does for those
who migrate to European countries.

What governments have tried to do in Australia with their
policies is to encourage people not to identify themselves as
something other than Australian and take on past ethnic conflicts
and baggage. "Do You Belong?" are questions often asked of
newcomers and if they feel inclusive enough - the government
feels they won't have to hold on to these enmities of the
past and they will feel free to fit in.

Government policies in our country have been very wise. The
strength has been made clear that we should not tag people to
being specific to any ethnic group. Because if we do then we
force them to almost galvanise that as an ethnicity. And that's
where problems can arise - as we've seen from what's happening
in Europe. Thankfully, our governments have been much wiser
with their policies and Australia today is considered a
success story and the envy of the world.

Long may that continue.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 6:28:30 PM
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Foxy,

Perhaps it's a matter of interpretation. I feel that there is encouragement to divide in some corners; particularly in the media and among mischief-makers who are constantly deriding their own country. There is also clear evidence of many minorities having no intention of fitting in. Where I live there are many different ethnicities, and I damned if I can get them to speak to me on my daily walks. In Adelaide, the last non-Anglo arrivals to fit in were the Vietnamese who are happy to be Aussies.

I am also bemused by the politicians' claims about Australia being a 'successful' multicultural country without a giving a single example. They are playing lip service to an inappropriate policy that was never endorsed by the Australian people. They will never admit that they were wrong.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 7:40:30 PM
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Dear ttbn,

I guess we can only speak about our own experiences.
My parents came to this country as displaced persons
running from the Soviet Regime during World War II.
They came without any worldy goods so to speak - but
they worked hard, managed to raise and educate their
family and here we are today. I was born in this country.
as were my brothers. And I like to think that our family
did contribute. As I'm sure so did many other migrants.
The migrants that I know are well integrated into the
Australian society. They've achieved a high proficiency
in English and are participating in Australian cultural
activities.

I remember the initial two-year work contracts were many
migrants' first major contribution to Australia. They helped
solve an acute labour shortage in Australia, especially in
outlying areas.

On arrival in this country, migrants in those days joined in
the rebuilding of Australia's capital structures that were to
serve the nation for many decades to come. Also many newcomers
established building companies, new factories, retail shops
and repair centres, skating rinks, tailor shops and even a
complete town (Eucla). Many became self-employed in small and
large business and in all kinds of trades. Also as groups migrants
created additional secondary jobs, with their high levels of
demand for goods and services.

Also migrants have contributed in other ways - in the arts,
in literature, in poetry, in painting, ceramics, dance, ballet,
(Borovansky Ballet) and the founding of the Australian Ballet.
Then there were musicians, and theatres, and the list goes on.
And of course lets not forget - sport.

I think Australia is the richer today - thanks to migrants.
At least that's my experience.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 7:16:30 AM
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Foxy,

I'm not against migrants, it's the fabricated idea of multiculturalism that appalls me.

Your parents belonged to a different era, and I'm sure they appreciated their new country and did their bit. My ancestors arrived in 1840. Then, or just after WW2, we needed migrants as much as they needed us, and much was achieved. Your parents would not have found it easy at the start, and they would have not received a lot of help. But they fitted in, helped themselves and contributed to make Australia what it is today.

Now, we are getting too many free-loaders. Many are as big an insult to your parents as they are to me and mine. People just like your parents are saying, 'Hang on. I earned my place here, now newcomers are being treated like children, and those newcomers are living up to spoilt kid image because they are encouraged to do so. Many are not even bothering to learn English, and are generally biting the hand that feeds them."

Immigrants? No problem, as long as they are needed and have a job. Different races? I have reservations, but a persons race is no threat. Multiculturalism, which divides people into tribes and discourages assimilation - no, a thousand times no.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 8:28:33 AM
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@ttbn your comment: 'like in Melbourne true crime figures among immigrants (often muslims) are hidden and fiddled with.'
is false. The reason: they are not collected. The reason they are not collected is a problem of correct identification.
But we can infer that crime among migrants is by no means as great as you seem to believe. The work that has been done on the background of prisoners suggests that migrants are either more law abiding than the rest of the population are better at not getting caught. Nationally about 25% of the population is born overseas - if there was criminality among migrants you would expect incarceration rates of at least 25% - in fact it is about 10%.
Posted by BAYGON, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 8:39:18 AM
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So apart from the contribution of colourful figures for the Underbelly series what does multicultural mean?
Well it means you can give a failed mono culture a positive spin by calling it multicultural....another artificial word to describe that which does not exist.
When people travel to a country for a better life they seek to become as much of the social fabric as possible.....unless they incur a great deal of difficulty in doing so.
They bring their customs, social values, religion with them.
Did anyone at immigration say they couldn't....No!
Did anyone at immigration tell them they had to obey the laws of the land otherwise no entry?....No?
Did immigration place any pre requisites regarding their behaviour....No?
So what are you all bleating about?
The fact that immigration (politicians) had no idea as to what sudden influx would do to the the existing social fabric in Australia society wants to blame the immigrants.
A mouse doesn't care which hole gains it entry into the land of plenty and neither do immigrants chasing free cheese.
Incompetent management based on little or no understanding gives you what you've got. Throwing free money at immigrants only alienates the citizens, with resentment and disharmony being the end result.
A smile costs nothing, but gets a lot, as regards to social integration.
Financial abuse occurs because of political staffing incompetence.
If a politician can steal then it's OK for all to steal, whether with menace or by slight of hand, it's still stealing
Rewarding incompetent politicians is worse than stealing in that it destabilizes social perception to a point where any legal reference regarding social order is lost, and it is also a sign of a phlegmatic society that allows it.

One law for all, or no law for any.
Posted by Special Delivery, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 11:21:13 AM
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My comment, Baygon? Where did I make that comment on this thread?

Why would anyone listen to you when you attribute comments to people who did not actually make them?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:05:35 PM
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If Special Delivery, migrants came looking for a better life with more opportunity, your ideas might be true. This was the case with our immigration until the far left got control of it about 25 years ago.

When like middle eastern & African migrants of today, they come looking only for the gravy train of welfare hand outs, it most definitely is not.

That is the problem today. In Foxy's time, they got a room in a migrant shelter, & a job. From there it was all up to them. Apply that same policy to the bludgers we have flooding the country, & most will stop coming. We get the criminal gangs of "African" appearance in Melbourne, & the inter racial wars of Logan in Brisbane, with multiculturalism.

Only a fool would try to pretend this is not happening. My son-in-law's mother is not game to leave her house, other than in a locked car, through remote controlled gates in Penrith, NSW because of marauding gangs of youth of "African" appearance.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:06:33 PM
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Special Delivery,

And, the really bad thing about all this is that Australians were never asked whether or not they wanted multiculturalism because the political spivs, with their global networking, knew the answer would be NO. So, they did it, knowing that the Australian electorate can't be 'bothered with politics' unless the price of beer goes up.

Multiculturalism and mass immigration are all about votes for our crooked politicians.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:12:03 PM
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ttbn,

Australia is often described as a successful multicultural
society. And it is, on the whole, in the sense that most
people from all different backgrounds live together in
harmony. Those that can't do that will be punished under
the rule of law that we have in this country.

Within an institutional framework that preserves tolerance
and protects order we can celebrate and enjoy diversity.
But we couldn't do that without the framework which guarantees
the freedom to enjoy diversity.

It is therefore important that newcomers to this land realise
that there are certain beliefs - democratic beliefs that we
are all obliged to follow. To respect the rights and liberty
of others and to respect the rule of law.

Unless we have a consensus of support about how we aill
form our legislatures and an agreement to abide by its laws,
none of us will be able to enjoy our rights and liberties
without being threatened by others. We have a compact to
live under a democratic legislature and obey the laws it makes.
In doing this the rights and liberties of all are protected.

We are asking people who live in this country
to subscribe to a framework that
can protect the rights and liberties of all.
These are Australian
values and we are very clear on this point. They are not
optional. We expect all those who live in this country to
subscribe to them. Loyalty, democracy, tolerance, the rule of
law, values worth promoting, values worth defending.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 7:07:11 PM
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Foxy,

We should be insisting, not 'asking'. Unfortunately, this is difficult with so many Australians knocking their own country. We cannot expect newcomers to do something we don't ourselves.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 7:59:05 PM
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@ ttbn - my apologies, the comment should have been attributed to runner.
Posted by BAYGON, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 8:35:49 PM
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ttbn,

I did say that these values were not optional and
that we expected everyone who lives in this country
to subscribe to them.

Otherwise they will face the full force of the law.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 9:07:46 PM
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Foxy,
It is wrong to say we are a multicultural country, we are not. We are multiracial but we only allow those aspects of other cultures that coincide with ours. Age of sexual consent, marriage, equality of sexes and FGM are prime examples and there are many others.

For many years now all visa applicants are given information, in about 30 different languages, about our laws and social norms so there is no excuse for not knowing. All incomers are informed before coming here.

Where we fall down is that we do not enforce the laws to the extent that wrong doers are automatically deported when they do wrong. As
reported yesterday Peter Dutton stated that courts were soft on non citizens so as not to subject them to deportation.

The sentencing of those convicted of FGM offenses is proof of soft sentencing. One received suspended jail and others got 'home detention'. That is less than a parking fine, for destruction of little girls genitals.

Our courts need a new broom through them so they are more reflective of community expectations. Refugees and immigrants should be subject to sentences the same as all citizens. If the sentence then leads to deportation, so be it.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 25 January 2018 4:52:54 PM
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Dear Banjo,

This may surprise you but I totally agree with you.
FGM is supposed to be illegal in this country- and
as I stated earlier we do need to enforce our laws
more strongly.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 January 2018 5:43:32 PM
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Baygon

"Nationally about 25% of the population is born overseas - if there was criminality among migrants you would expect incarceration rates of at least 25% - in fact it is about 10%."

Actually according the the ABS in 2015 (last figures available) 19% of the prison population was born overseas.
So you were out by 90% which in regards to some on this site, makes you a paragon of accuracy.

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The issue gets muddied when just talking about those born overseas. Lumping those born in rural England and those born in rural Sudan in the same statistic and then drawing conclusions is hardly useful. For example:

"[In Victoria]Young people born in these countries [ Sudan, South Sudan and Somalia] are 60 times more likely to commit crimes than the average for the youth population."

Equally, ignoring those born here to recently arrived immigrants hides important data.

The problem isn't necessarily immigration per se but where the immigrants are drawn from. There's a world of difference between Foxy's European parents and the parents of Farhad Mohammad who killed Curtis Cheng. Different culture, different world view, different propensity to adopt Australian values.

Its claimed we are the most successful multicultural nation on earth and that might be true. Our politicians tell us all the time and they wouldn't lie to us, would they?

But a nation that has to erect traffic bollards (I call them monuments to multiculturalism ) to protect one racial group from another, is hardly successful.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 January 2018 10:45:46 AM
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I dont think anyone can declare multiculturalism a great success in such a short span of history. I think it will be another couple of generations, maybe another 50 to another hundred or more years before any big cracks will really open up and tear the country apart. It has only been about 250 years since the first fleet arrived.
Hardly a huge span of time. That was when the whites and aboriginies first tried to
share the country. Didnt work very well.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 27 January 2018 10:09:40 PM
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