Dear Josephus,

You wrote;

“You are an uncivilised little man.”

Because I called your comments 'truly ignorant'? It doesn't take much to prick your self esteem does it.

Then you demanded;

“Answer these Questions: What day do you suggest we keep as Australia Day?”

This was despite the fact that in the post directly above you Luciferase has said; “I'll not nail myself to a mast over the date, and perhaps would support Steely's 22nd November proposal”.

You said;

“All the massacres you speak of did not happen on 26th of January at the landing of Governor Philip.”

International Holocaust Rememberance Day is held on the 27th of January even though there were many concentration camps liberated this date is chosen because it was when Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians. Don't you think the victims of events like these should get some say in the date they find significant?

You postulate it would have been the same if the Spanish instead of the British colonised Australia. They certainly did not have a great track record either. But Spain has returned virtually all of its colonies to the original inhabitants. That did not happen here or in NZ.

You loudly proclaimed; “WE ARE NOT COMMERATING THE DEATH OF INDIGINOUS PEOPLE 200 YEARS AGO, that is your story. We are celebrating who we as a Nation of Citizens today.”

Bollocks. All those re-enactments of a long boat being rowed ashore in previous Australia Day celebrations are certainly commemorating a historical narrative. Well the slaughter and dispossession experienced by this countries original inhabitants is also part of that narrative and attempts by people like yourself to sanitise them out of it is both selfish and reprehensible in my book.

And what on earth was this?

“Your claim some identify,"the blacks of Australia were the lowest race of savages known to exist, the connecting link between man and the brute creation". Is the height of your offensiveness.”

Why is directly quoting reflections from an early settler deemed so offensive in your eyes? It is too non-PC for you?

Care to try this again?

Oooo, I should have pointed out, in that section on alcohol and Aboriginal people that, although it was an offence to supply Aboriginal people with alcohol, it wasn't a punishable offence for an Aboriginal person to HAVE alcohol: it would be taken off them, if they were caught unawares and had no time to drink the contents, but unless they were D&D or somewhat abusive, no offence had really been committed.

I'm sure, many are the stories around Australia of evading police, secretly contacting groggers, how much the bastards charged, what liberties they took with the women, what they adulterated the grog with, the times they got beaten up, or dobbed in. I recall, even after it was legal here in SA but we still had six o'clock closing, friends would wait until after six, come around and get me to go with them to their local grogger, a bloke up in Gllles Plains with a huge freezer in his backyard. Great days, exciting times ! Free beer for me !

Excellent legal point, Josephus, though aborigines were originally dispossessed nevertheless.

I'll play the devil's advocate here and ask change proponents why there is something wrong with wanting a holiday celebration of the modern nation we newcomers have built, on the annual anniversary of our coming, and calling it Australia Day.

When I have a party, I let my neighbours know there's going to be noise, and apologise in advance. I even invite them to join in.

How about each Australia Day on 26th January including a prime-ministerial or Gov-Gen address, apologizing for the original dispossession (land-rights legislation has mitigated this now) and inviting aborigines to consider what benefits our coming may have brought them, while inviting them to join in the celebration our success.

They would be better off now obviously. They were living the most primitive way of life continuously for 80000 years without change. I consider them to be extremely intelligent considering the land they had to deal with & their isolation from the rest of the civilized World, except for some fleeting seasonal contact with the Moluccans.

Banjo: I have not detected any push to alter Australia Day or push for a republic.

I agree. Only from the loony Left & Greenies.

Opinionated2: Would you be better off if we came and took your home, your family, your culture and destroyed it?

We only have to look to “Today” to see that happening, only in reverse, with the invasion of the mahommedeans into Western Society. Western Civilized Society strives to enhance civilization. Mahommedeans strive to drive Society back to the Stone Age.

Opinionated2: if your numbers of your ethnicity dropped from he from 1,250,000 in 1788 to 50,000 in 1930 due mostly to small pox and other diseases.

We acknowledge that but it wasn’t intentional. People in those days didn’t even know what caused any diseases. In fact it’s been only been in the last 100 years that they have.

Opinionated2: How would you cope with your children being stolen from you and put into institutions where they were abused physically, emotionally and sexually?

As opposed to staying within the Tribe & where they were abused physically, emotionally and sexually?

Opinionated2: How would you have dealt with knowing that the whites deliberately tried to breed the black out of you?

This was mainly a Spanish & Portuguese thing where they killed all the males & intentionally married & impregnated the women to make the Country Catholic. As I have stated previously.

Opinionated2: Of course some aborigines have transitioned fairly well into modern society.

Oh yeah! They’re the ones you see sitting in the Tent Embassy in front of Parliament House with their hands out. None of who could live without their Maccas.
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Opinionated2: Some aborigines don't care about the date but most do

Garbage. The push is only within those groups that wish to cause mayhem. The Left & the Greens.

Opinionated2: We caused the problems in Aboriginal Australia with our theft, deceptive practices, alcohol, culture-busting and oppression.

Admittedly at first now that role has been well & truly taken over by the 54000 University educated Mob. They are making themselves rich on the Government Grants that are supposed to help their fellows, but aren’t.

Loudmouth: Massacres ?

Let’s clear one up. My Grandfather was almost a party to one on Massacre Hill near Ravenwood except he was call back because Grandma went into Labour with my Aunt that night. They got seven years for shooting the Chinese nothing for the 100 Aboriginals. 2 years later they were released in Custody of their wives who had been given portions of land at Giru. They were all my Great Uncles & Aunts. Known History.

Loudmouth: Stolen Generation: how many cases brought successfully before a court ?

Sase in point. “The Rabbit Proof Fence.” The women the Movie portrayed & their Aunts said the Movie wasn’t anything like their story. The Story line was changed to make the Movie more dramatic for Movie audiences

Steelie: <Joesphus: ,"the blacks of Australia were the lowest race of savages known to exist, the connecting link between man and the brute creation".>

Lets not forget that a modern day person would consider the person who said that to be primitive by todays standard. It’s all relative, isn’t it.

I propose that we leave Australia Day as it is & propose that Aboriginals celebrate it as “Thank God you’re here Day.”

Hi Jayb,

So would you support the call, so loud from activists, for through forensic investigations of massacre sites, such as that at Ravenwood ? It may raise all sorts objections from Whites, especially from those related to the mass-murderers, but the truth must be discovered, and told, warts and all.

Reconciliation can only come about on the basis of truth, which can only be discovered on the basis of evidence.

Cheers,

Joe