Only a very small minority of Moslems are terrorists: VERIFIABLE FACT

Only a very small minority of terrorists are NOT Moslems: VERIFIABLE FACT

The religion of ALL Moslems calls on them to enforce Islam in all its vileness on all non-believers: VERIFIABLE FACT [1]

Cronulla Beach erupted in riots because Moslems harassed female beachgoers for wearing un-Islamic attire.

[1] e.g. http://freethoughtnation.com/what-does-the-koran-say-about-nonbelievers

Hi Cherful,

Historically, many on the 'Left', especially its pro-Soviet rump (yes, there still are some, now of course pro-Putin, and some now pro-China) have had what any observer would call an arrogant fantasy that they can 'co-operate' with other groups, such as Muslims (even apologists for extremism) or Indigenous people or genuine Greens, and use them to push a vaguely-common agenda, and ultimately take them over. When the day of victory arrives, so the Plan goes, they can 'de-emphasise' those other groups. Fleas conspiring against elephants.

So many on the 'Left' are no so much starry-eyed and naive, as purely opportunist, 'for the good of the Party', of course. Oops, I meant, 'for the good of the people'. Gaining power is the aim, method is secondary.

Cheers,

Joe

Indeed Joe,
I guess they do not even understand that the muslims refer
to them as the "Useful Idiots" (oh gawd how ironic) and to be the
first killed when the caliphate takes over.

Hi Bazz,

Yes, very likely, IF :)

Europe's future: I suspect that Muslim immigration - and the attendant terrorist attacks by a minority - will provide a long-term image of what happens here.

However, I have hopes that, in Europe and here, the tribalist and backward aspects of Islam will be increasingly countered by the exposure of Muslims to the basic values of the Enlightenment, equality, freedom of expression, opportunity, democracy, with all their inevitable imperfections.

God knows, our system is not perfect and never will be, but it provides opportunities for everybody to make the best of their lives in ways which would be inconceivable in their home countries.

Cheers,

Joe

Joe,

India has had Muslims for over 1,000 years and they haven't integrated there yet.

Hi Is Mise,

On the other hand, Muslims in India have occupied - and perhaps do at the moment - positions in ministries and (from memory) the presidency itself. Hindu terrorism is at least as likely as Muslim terrorism in India these days, perhaps more so. Both seem to brutally terrorise women of either persuasion.

Of course, when the British occupied Bengal, India was mostly under Muslim rule. British policy seemed to favour Hindus over Muslims, if anything. My poor knowledge of Indian history tells me that there was a Hindu King of India until 1857-1858 based in Delhi, but Muslim dominance in Bengal, Sind, Hyderabad and most of the Punjab, the most progressive regions of India.

The idiocy of the Partition has left a terrible legacy. A few years ago, it produced the absurdity that the Prime Minister of India had been born in Karachi, Pakistan, while the President of Pakistan had been born in Delhi.

Yes, you may be right, that unless a broad society is open to integration, the major groups won't integrate with each other, not without a counter-move towards parochialism. India however seems to be quite a mixed society, especially in its cities, so there may be hope yet.

Terrorism in Europe may eventually prove counter-productive: driving trucks into pedestrians won't necessarily terrorise other people, simply make them wary when they are out on the streets. It certainly won't encourage people generally, including Muslims, to be any more sympathetic to terrorism, except perhaps on the 'Left'.

Joe