You have probably seen reports of EU Commissions demands on Hungary
to take their "fair" share of the moslem intake of refugees.
The EU is going to take action against Hungary if it does not
comply with EU demands.
Here is a comment by PM Orban of Hungary.

http://tinyurl.com/y7uqkrg9

These comments are applicable to Australia as well.

I think you miss the point Bazz. There are insignificant numbers of Muslims in Australia to offer any real threat to stability.

Why not concentrate your energy on the real issue, Chinese take-over with the cheque book. This is the one to fear.

Yes there are multiple threats. At 2% moslems that is the point where
the trouble begins. 2% is not just plucked out of thin air.
For the last 1400 years they have been trouble no matter where they go.
It is a real risk to let that percentage rise.
You may not be aware of what has happened to Europe.
I suggest you research it.

The Chinese are different, they do not want to destroy the societies
they enter, they just want to take them over.
They are more intelligent than the inbred moslems.

Such a small percentage of population causing billions xtra in security. How dumb have we become yo allow the regressives to fool so many

Well Bazz. If you are to live in the big world outside, you better be happy to live with what it dishes up.

There is no moral compass. (Gay Marriage voted for by the majority), so why moralise about Muslims? Your arguments are bull sh**!

Why not moralise about moslems ?
After all it is moslems that are the terrorists or will you wait for
us to have a Manchester type event ?
Perhaps if such an event happens and there are a hundred or so dead
then will you say it is time to do something about them ?

You could look at the monthly total produced by the German police.

Runner, not sure I understand your post.
The regressives, ? Just who are they ?
It is the murder of people that causes these steps to be taken.
Are you saying nothing should be done ?
It is just 12 months since a truck was driven into a Christmas market in Berlin.
12 died in that event. Do you suggest there is no such risk here ?
The Super Mosque at Goulburn has quite a few inmates that would do
just that if they were out on the street.
Have you forgotten that it is only a couple of months since the failed
attempt to get a bomb onto an Etihard flight at Sydney ?
My son's inlaws are due to fly out on that airline in a couple of weeks.
Anyone who theinks this is all bullsh** as Dan says needs to enter the real world.

Why not classify "P" plate drivers terrorists Bazz. They cause more deaths PA than a renegade Muslim.

And unaffordable electricity bills, who to blame for the deaths of the aged and frail pensioniors freezing to death, or dying from dehydration, for lack of cooling in extreme record heat of summer.

Homeless living on the street, forced out of shelter as a direct consequence of bad political management of whosever country Australia is now, (as opposed to the past)!

These are the ever- unspoken political acts of terrorism of our own leaders, I most abhore.

I personally classify Turnbull and Shorten as terrorists, hands down, worse than Muslims will ever be!

Dear Bazz,

It's Christmas - and where is your Christmas spirit,
where's runner's?

Honestly, why do you blame an entire group of people
for the actions of a few pathologically sick persons?
We've argued this subject so many times on this forum.
Fundamentalists exist in all religions - and there are
good and bad people amongst each group.

I've met some real pricks in my time, but some of you
are monstrous cactus's!

Our culture is predicated on protecting and caring for the weak, sick and vulnerable. That is the message of Christ, heal the sick, care for the orphans, widows and the oppressed. We as a society are becoming more callous by killing our unborn and euthanizing the old and sick. It is a survival of the fittest or in the case of Islam a survival of the orthodox followers of Mahomet. Countries have sovereign boundaries and can determine who lives within those boundaries.

Bazz,
I am with you on this. We should stop importing people from those groups that have shown to cause us grief. Muslims, those that practice FGM, underage marriage and those that are currently running riot in Melbourne. Deport those non citizens that commit crime and will not integrate. Those that hold our laws and society in contempt. We can well do without them and we owe nothing to nobody. We already have given millions a good chance at a far better way of life. Those that don't appreciate that can go elsewhere.

Immigration should be aimed at Christens and limited to zero net. No family reunion here either.

Look, people, Muslims will eventually integrate and become just Australians.
Have a dekko at India, they have had Muslims for over a 1,000 years and apart from splitting off around a third of the country in 1947 they haven't been a problem; there are riots every now and then, but nothing very serious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots_in_India

Dearest Foxy,

Criticise the sin, not the sinner: where does contemporary terrorism get its inspiration from ? Poor, misguided, mentally-ill people persuaded to drive through a crowd of pedestrians - but what has 'misguided' them ? Batman movies ? Too much chocolate ? Too much violence on TV ? Seventh-Day Adventism ?

Is there some common factor 'misguiding' the bloke who blew off that Chinese accountant's head ? The one who stabbed the two cops in Melbourne ? This poor misguided bloke last week ? What 'misguides' them, pretty much all of them ? Is there something n common which 'misguides' them ?

Hmmmm, that's a hard one. Perhaps you can help me :)

Love,

Joe

Dan, imagine equalising accidents caused by oil on the road, inattention,
reckless driving, using a mobile phone, booze and drugs with a
deliberate murderous attack on people you have never seen before
because they are not of your religion, the women are not covered, the
men are not wearing beards, they do not submit to Allah and refuse Sharia Law.

What must be considered is do you have mental problem or are you a moslem ?
If you are that would explain such a mental attitude.

Foxy, asked where is my Christmas spirit.
It was spoilt by the attack in Melbourne, the sight of low loader
trucks being parked across the Pitt St Mall with a narrow path for
shoppers, the coppers walking through the railway station with
automatic machine guns. Details I heard at a recent meeting I attended.
You said; Honestly, why do you blame an entire group of people

That is the most common question people who are trying to take the
most charitable attitude ask.
It is understandable at first sight, but it is naive and based on
insufficient inquiry.
Not all moslems want to go out and kill Christians and Jews but most
would never pass on information against someone who might be a terrorist.
There are some who indeed who do give information at risk of their
life, as their belief has been challenged.

You simply do not understand the history and
purpose of what is happening in Europe.
Tell me of a country where they have invaded or migrated where they have not been trouble ?

This whole problem of Islam will only be solved for the west by having
some hard nosed politicians who will first acknowledge that we are at war.
Once that is recognised then the laws relating to war come into effect.
For 1400 years they have been obeying Mohammad's instruction to invade
and conquer Rome. By that he meant the whole world.
How many of you know that an Islamic army invaded and sacked the Vatican ?
Or the defeat of an Islamic Army by Charles Mattel not far from Paris in 732.
Or that Switzerland was occupied by an Islamic army ?

Those that do not learn from History are bound to repeat it !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERa6qibVUZc&t=106s

Bazz

With all due respects for your argument against Muslims, mine is more logical.

A renegade Muslim deliberately driving a vehicle on the footpath, highlights an OH@S issue.

It is immaterial that the vehicle which mounts a pedestrian foot path, and kills and maims, is a deliberate act or not.

There is a case to be made for removing vehicles totally, from high pedestrian areas. Forget the Muslim content.

On other issues of the stupid. Muslims do not per se, fiddle with little girls. (As opposed to Christian priests).
There are laws of the land which must be obeyed. “Anyone” caught fiddling with little girls in this country, is dealt with by the legal system.

I repeat, Muslims in this country, are an insignificant minority.

Who are not an insignificant minority, are Chinese. They are actually in plague form; and are much more of a threat “generally”, than a tiny Muslim minority.

Dan,

"On other issues of the stupid. Muslims do not per se, fiddle with little girls. (As opposed to Christian priests)"

The majority of Church (and other organizations) kiddie fiddlings have been homosexual in nature and Muslims, in some countries, are notorious for their predilection for boys.

"In Afghanistan, especially Pashtun areas, the tradition of Bacha Bazi, which is Persian for “boy play,” is very common. It involves the use of boys for sexual pleasure by men and is very common, especially among men of power. Ironically, one reason why the Taliban was disliked by many of its enemies was because it tried to stamp out the practice."
https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/afghanistans-love-hate-relationship-with-homosexuality/

Diver Dan, you are obviously leading a sheltered life.

I have yet to hear of anyone attacked physically by any Chinese living in Oz. However my son had his skull fractured in 4 places when attacked by a group of 4 Muslims in Allawah Sydney, as he walked home from the railway station.

He was attacked, as have been more than a few single males in the streets around there, by Muslims ethnically cleansing a new area for establishing a new ghetto.

The police took a statement, but told him not to expect any follow up, as these attacks were beyond their ability to investigate successfully, or control.

Time to open your eyes mate.

Chinatown in Sydney is considered to be a safe place, before and after dark, not so areas such as Redfern and the Wiley Park-Bankstown area.

Of course, there are a lot of Chinese in the Chinatown area [who'd a thunk it!] but lots of members of ethnic groups in the other areas mentioned.

Hasbeen, the technique of random attacks on locals in an attempt to
drive them out is well practised in France and Sweden.
The technique now is in the majority moslem areas, they attack police,
fire brigades and ambulances. Anything representing the government.
It got so bad in Seine-St Dennis that the post office has ceased postal delivery.

Foxy, what has happened in France and Germany is that people with your
attitude have lent over backwards to protect the moslems to the extent
of bringing in laws of Islamaphobia.
In one town not far from Paris a mosque was being built and an
organisation had a demonstration to celebrate the defeat of the Islamic
army by Charles Mattel in 732 at the then village.
The leaders of the demonstration were arrested, convicted and gaoled.
The charge Islamaphobia.

People and politicians with your attitude have introduced no-free- speach laws.
Have you not seen the signs of Islamaphobia laws being floated here ?
They are in full operation in Canada and people are in gaol for criticising Islam.
Things I have written here would see me in gaol in the UK, Canada,
France, Belgium and Holland. Geert Wilders was convicted but not
gaoled, probably because he is a member of the Dutch parliament.

Foxy, your attitude is very dangerous.

There is an interesting phenomena on the attitude of a significant
number of women towards moslems.
You would think that above all women would be very opposed to the
Islamic rules for women.
Imagine women having to stay in the house and having to ask the
permission of their guardian to go out of the house.
This guardian thing is interesting.
The woman has to have his permission for virtually everything.
If here husband is not there, then she must get permission from her
eldest son, or in his absence the nearest male relative.

A woman's evidence is worth half of a man's evidence.
Women inherit half of what males inherit.
If raped a woman has to find four male witnesses or she will be
charged with adulatory.

Lots more such nonsense.
Is the women's easy acceptance of Islam because their genes desire
strong determined men to look after them ?

( and yes Foxy I am teasing you)

Bazz,

A few references would be handy for future use.

Is Mise, yes I agree, but I would have to develop a database system
to be able to pull up any matter easily.
However, most Sharia law matters can be found easily and English Korans
are on the net. You should be able to search on them.
Actually I wonder if someone has actually done that ?

Re the Post Office: http://tinyurl.com/y8lttxe2

That was easy to find with google.
As far as other statements are concerned anyone can find plenty of
reports. One Swedish paper that does report what is happening there
is of course in Swedish but its website has a translate to English
facility. Produces quite good English.

Every month there are day by day reports of crimes committed by immigrants.
Next time I see it I will put it up and that any doubters can go
looking up each report. It could be said to be a cop out but you will
need a good command of German to be able access the German media & court records.
There is a reluctance to talk publically about the problem and media
runs the risk of prosecution.

Ahh well even if half of it was spurious it would be too much.
Cheers Happy New Year

Oh...I get...Chinese good, Muslims bad...OK then, I'll adjust the radar!

Dan,

"Oh...I get...Chinese good, Muslims bad...OK then, I'll adjust the radar!"

Generally, that's true.

Sydney - and copy cats – could soon have permanent 'Diversity Bollards' to protect us from the terrorists Australian politicians imported for us. Assistance Commissioner of police Mark Walton said that although terror threat had remained at 'probable' level for two years, “there was still a need for vigilance”. This is the bloke who said that there was no evidence of Islamic terrorism from a Muslim Afghan who wasn't happy with the way Muslims were treated in Australia.

Vigilance? Surely the vigilance should have occurred before successive Australian governments started importing Muslims en masse? But it didn't, and we now look likely to have permanent reminders of the stupidity of multiculturalist morons.

From babble about 'strength' in diversity, we now have to be permanently protected from that diversity.

The Chinese are not a terrorist threat but the Chinese government is
a threat. It is running a campaign to purchase all our land that is
productive to feed its own people so that they do not have to pay
Australian mugs a cracker. Whats the bet there will only be Chinese working their farms.
Have you ever seen a Chinese business that does not have only Chinese employees ?

First ports, electricity generators etc now airports and all flight
training companies.

We badly need a Foreign Investment Board to vet foreign investment.

The fact that left wing feminists side with a culture that so obviously
treats women as second class citizens, especially in legal matters
clearly shows how lost they are in the fantasy of leftard thinking.

And how they can not renounce their flawed beliefs about world utopia.
Mind you no other country's in the world are practising this kindness to every culture but their own. in their own country's.
Another fact, the hippie, utopian,communist, greenie, leftist, dogooder, brainwashed all through school, by leftist dogma lot, fail to understand or intelligently observe.

They are so dumb they can't see the ideology they believe is not fact nor does it exist in real life. A doctrine that can't be challenge is no more than a cult or religious political fervour. But hey they have the high moral sounding ground and so can't ge challenged.
The simple ideas of world peace, and we are all equal, and we should all share. Well who doesn't think all this is wonderful, the trouble is, in practise it doesn't work past certain limits.
"The road to perdition (hell) is paved with good intentions."
well we are starting to see very clearly now the hell in Europe and Western countrys, that have been bought about by good intentions. People who think they know, but they don't and never did.

Only a very small minority of Moslems are terrorists: VERIFIABLE FACT

Only a very small minority of terrorists are NOT Moslems: VERIFIABLE FACT

The religion of ALL Moslems calls on them to enforce Islam in all its vileness on all non-believers: VERIFIABLE FACT [1]

Cronulla Beach erupted in riots because Moslems harassed female beachgoers for wearing un-Islamic attire.

[1] e.g. http://freethoughtnation.com/what-does-the-koran-say-about-nonbelievers

Hi Cherful,

Historically, many on the 'Left', especially its pro-Soviet rump (yes, there still are some, now of course pro-Putin, and some now pro-China) have had what any observer would call an arrogant fantasy that they can 'co-operate' with other groups, such as Muslims (even apologists for extremism) or Indigenous people or genuine Greens, and use them to push a vaguely-common agenda, and ultimately take them over. When the day of victory arrives, so the Plan goes, they can 'de-emphasise' those other groups. Fleas conspiring against elephants.

So many on the 'Left' are no so much starry-eyed and naive, as purely opportunist, 'for the good of the Party', of course. Oops, I meant, 'for the good of the people'. Gaining power is the aim, method is secondary.

Cheers,

Joe

Indeed Joe,
I guess they do not even understand that the muslims refer
to them as the "Useful Idiots" (oh gawd how ironic) and to be the
first killed when the caliphate takes over.

Hi Bazz,

Yes, very likely, IF :)

Europe's future: I suspect that Muslim immigration - and the attendant terrorist attacks by a minority - will provide a long-term image of what happens here.

However, I have hopes that, in Europe and here, the tribalist and backward aspects of Islam will be increasingly countered by the exposure of Muslims to the basic values of the Enlightenment, equality, freedom of expression, opportunity, democracy, with all their inevitable imperfections.

God knows, our system is not perfect and never will be, but it provides opportunities for everybody to make the best of their lives in ways which would be inconceivable in their home countries.

Cheers,

Joe

Joe,

India has had Muslims for over 1,000 years and they haven't integrated there yet.

Hi Is Mise,

On the other hand, Muslims in India have occupied - and perhaps do at the moment - positions in ministries and (from memory) the presidency itself. Hindu terrorism is at least as likely as Muslim terrorism in India these days, perhaps more so. Both seem to brutally terrorise women of either persuasion.

Of course, when the British occupied Bengal, India was mostly under Muslim rule. British policy seemed to favour Hindus over Muslims, if anything. My poor knowledge of Indian history tells me that there was a Hindu King of India until 1857-1858 based in Delhi, but Muslim dominance in Bengal, Sind, Hyderabad and most of the Punjab, the most progressive regions of India.

The idiocy of the Partition has left a terrible legacy. A few years ago, it produced the absurdity that the Prime Minister of India had been born in Karachi, Pakistan, while the President of Pakistan had been born in Delhi.

Yes, you may be right, that unless a broad society is open to integration, the major groups won't integrate with each other, not without a counter-move towards parochialism. India however seems to be quite a mixed society, especially in its cities, so there may be hope yet.

Terrorism in Europe may eventually prove counter-productive: driving trucks into pedestrians won't necessarily terrorise other people, simply make them wary when they are out on the streets. It certainly won't encourage people generally, including Muslims, to be any more sympathetic to terrorism, except perhaps on the 'Left'.

Joe

I did read an item somewhere that reported that a number of muslims
in Germany were turning up at church services and indicating that they
were interested in becoming Christians.
Some of the churches were organising information meetings.
I would think not many would want to "come out" that openly.
Perhaps it is going on the quiet.

I just did a google search and found these;

http://tinyurl.com/javbst7

and with some suspicion they are only doing it to improve chances of permanency.

http://tinyurl.com/yaozgeba

Of course the Koran permits lying to infidels if it will advantage a muslim.
but hopefully it could start a trend.

Yep!....we bomb the krap out of a country and then wonder why they want to leave....
nothing wrong with that thinking

Sorry, which country ? Are you suggesting that terrorists tend to come from any particular country ? And that the US and us 'bomb the crap out of it' for no particular reason ?

And because we're bombing the crap out of their country, people are entitled to drive vans into pedestrians, to shoot people's heads off, to knife police, etc.?

Joe

None the less, Joe, they are on the march in India.

Muslim dress, including the full sack for women, is becoming much more common right across the country and traveling by train there appear to be many more mosques than of yore.
In one area that I know well, there is a 400 year old mosque, quite small and built of stone, until a couple of years ago it was derelict but it has been expanded with new building work in cement block masonry, there is a sort of tower and the call to prayer is played over loudspeakers, this in an area that is 99.8% Catholic and Hindu.

It is about 200 metres from my wife's aunt's farmhouse but as farmers are usually up before dawn it doesn't affect them.

However, loud mosques do upset other people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeakers_in_mosques

.....and I'm supposed to respond to an irrational statement based on bias, conjecture and supposition whose rationale parallels that of an lobotomized amoeba trying to figure out which end of a toilet roll to use first....puleeze

Gee Joe,
did that comment take a lot of work or did it come naturally to u?

Il Messaggio,

You can't answer my sensible questions ? You can only come back with juvenile cracks ? What the hell's going on in school these days ?

So, what's irrational about asking for clarification: which countries are being bombed the crap out of ? Yemen, yes, Syria, yes, but which are being bombed by countries in which terrorists are carrying out atrocities ? Which countries are being bombed by France ? Britain ? Sweden ? Germany ? Is Australia currently bombing the crap out of any country ?

And does that justify terrorist attacks ? Perhaps you can trace a direct, logical link between bombing a country and someone driving into a crowd ? Or blowing up young girls at a concert ? Or randomly stabbing people on a bridge ? Can you do it without bias, conjecture and supposition ?

Special Delivery, 'did that comment take a lot of work or did it come naturally to you' ? Amazing what passes for wit these days in our remedial schools.

Joe

Joe,

It's the reincarnation of the ghost of dills past.

So to the intellectual geniuses of Ise Mise and Loudmouth,....
it's called population displacement and when population displacement occurs without desire a certain amount of anger arises.
So to those geniuses who may be amazed at the fact that a wave does not travel from the west coast of South America to reach the east cost of Australia.....displacement
So Loudmouth where did the planet gain from the decimation of an entire culture and infrastructure in Iraq...and please spare me your usual flatulence....where the US ...and 'we', don't forget 'we', bombed the krap out of and where did you think those people were going to go?

Truth is you didn't think and or didn't care, all you wanted to do was justify your myopic and feeble mind whose knowledge is based on jingoism and bias.
Now, like a pathetic individual, you want to hide behind the actions of other countries who contributed to the same cause for displacement as though that exonerates you and your kind....what a mealy mouthed lot you are.
Anger is a universal state of mind and travels very easily but then you would need some intellectual capacity to realise that so that reality excuses those suffering from mental deficiency such as yourselves.
An honourable man would have acknowledged the wrong, but the we know what you're not!
Education is what you don't have.....suck it up

Re Special Delivery: Personal invective with neither factual nor rational support dumbs down this platform for discussion of actual issues. I think the current descriptor is *troll*.

which item would you like the factual or rational support extended to?

Special Delivery,
The Arab world is a mess and will remain so as long
as they continue their cousin marriage custom.
The rest of the world has had to step in to try and sort them out.
They are simply unable to help themselves.

However I think it has been a mistake to try and help them.
Nature should be allowed to run its course, they will either accept
that what they have been taught with Islam is nonsense, and repair
their genome or as time goes by their birth defects will get worse
and finally they will disappear from history as a failed race.

Special Delivery,

Iraq. That's what you're talking about ?

So how many Iraqis have been involved in terrorist attacks, here or in the US or in Europe ? yes, Somalis, Afghans, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, north Africans, Turks (hmmm ..... how many bombs has the US dropped on Turkey ?) - not too many Iraqis. Neil Prakash is Cambodian-Fijian-Muslim: how many bombs have we dropped on Fiji or Cambodia lately ?

With the greatest respect known to humankind, your proposition doesn't stand up, SD.
Try another angle.

Joe

“which item would you like the factual or rational support extended to?
Posted by Special Delivery, Friday, 5 January 2018 12:27:48 PM
==

Try these:

"Truth is you didn't think and or didn't care, all you wanted to do was justify your myopic and feeble mind whose knowledge is based on jingoism and bias.
"Now, like a pathetic individual, you want to hide behind the actions of other countries who contributed to the same cause for displacement as though that exonerates you and your kind....what a mealy mouthed lot you are.
"Anger is a universal state of mind and travels very easily but then you would need some intellectual capacity to realise that so that reality excuses those suffering from mental deficiency such as yourselves.
"An honourable man would have acknowledged the wrong, but [the] we know what you're not!
"Education is what you don't have.....suck it up"

"So how many Iraqis have been involved in terrorist attacks, here or in the US or in Europe"
name them!....and is this before or after Iraq invaded and while we're at it why was Iraq invaded?
Emperor Julian wants verifiable facts
"Anger is a universal state of mind and travels very easily' fact!
"An honourable man would have acknowledged the wrong, but [the] we know what you're not!"....speaks for itself.
"Now, like a pathetic individual, you want to hide behind the actions of other countries who contributed to the same cause for displacement as though that exonerates you and your kind."...speaks for itself

As my father always said, 'Argue with a fool and you will always lose'...guess that means you win!

A debate is based on fact!
I personally don't have time for any religion but I recognise it's necessity to social order and I'm not about to vilify anyone because of their beliefs.
These societies would have transitioned in their own good time
You bombed them...deal with the consequences and stop bleating about how right you are....because you're not.
Each country/society deals with the consequences of actions embraced, willingly or otherwise.
Next I'll hear that Martin Bryant was a closet Muslim
Can't wait to hear the BS excuses

Obviously we did not bomb them well enough.

If we had there would be none of them left to come here causing grief.

Hope we have learnt our lesson, & use more effective bombs next time.

SD,

So let's see, what countries have been bombed the crap out of, by the US, NATO or our own air force ? Initially and for a short time, Iraq (and yes, I marched against the US involvement in overthrowing Saddam: March 17, 2003, if I recall rightly). Isis-controlled Iraq and Syria. Afghanistan against the Sunni Taliban. At odd times, Somalia, Libya.

So from which of those countries have Islamist terrorists come to Australia ? Somalia: Yes, but I don't recall the Australian Air Force bombing the crap out of Somalia. Libya ? No. Iraq ? No. Syria ? I don't think so. Afghanistan ? Yes, quite a few - perhaps they were committing acts of terrorism on behalf of the Taliban ? Is that what you mean ?

Perhaps you don't believe that any Saudis were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centre, and three thousand people. I can't recall when last the US bombed the crap out of Saudi Arabia - perhaps you can help us here.

So what is the correlation between being bombed the crap out of by US, NATO or Australian air focus, and provoking terrorists ? Not very high. Perhaps you need a new rationale for supporting anti-US Islamists, SD. There's your clue :)

Joe

"So what is the correlation between being bombed the crap out of by US, NATO or Australian air focus, and provoking terrorists ? Not very high. Perhaps you need a new rationale for supporting anti-US Islamists, SD. There's your clue :)"
==

So what is the correlation between acts of terrorism and the Moslem cult? Answer: as near as dammit to 100%.

Bombing the crap out of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan didn't anger the Moslem jihadis. It delighted them. It destroyed the secular regimes that were keeping the mongrels cowering in their holes. All this is down to the Yanks and governments like ours (both Tweedledum and Tweedledee) that kowtow to the Yanks and their colonialist Project for a New American Century.

Three poster boys of this drive to set the Moslem jihadists raping and killing all over North Africa and the Middle East like a plague of poisonous ants: John Howard, George W Bush, and the slimiest liar of all - Tony Blair.

(In Europe the one that opened the flood gates was Angela Merkel with an invitation to Islamic hprdes that has made it necessary for the British to slam the door with Brexit.)

Hi EJ,

Islamist terrorism pre-dated any actions by the Yanks or the British or us, by a long way. Yes, there may have been upsurges in Islamist terrorism after the Yanks responded to 9/11, but:

* on the one hand, the dynamics of this upsurge can be found within Islam, and extreme-Islamist versions of it, going back at least to the 1920s - well, back to the 18th century in the case of Wahhabism;

*. and on the other hand, all of the unexpected and unintended consequences of their actions cannot necessarily be shafted home to the Yanks etc.

The rise of Islamist terrorism lies, not in any direct actions of the West, but in the anti-West principles of Islam itself. It is a conservative, anti-progressive philosophy. The printing press may have been utilised in Europe to print billions of books from the late fifteenth century - but there wasn't a printing press in the entire Muslim world until 1824, in Istanbul (according to Jack Goody, the historian of literacy).

The opportunist 'Left' need to find another champion to hitch its wagon to, perhaps one a little less reactionary.

Joe

“The opportunist 'Left' need to find another champion to hitch its wagon to, perhaps one a little less reactionary.” - Joe

Maybe such a cause might be freedom from, not for, religion – i.e. secular democracy. No funds for religious indoctrination of any stripe, on the basis that religious schools are child abuse including when the parents are conspiring with religious schools.

This cause includes calling out and confronting the theocrats who are preventing the Turnbull government from governing[1]

[1] Governing includes cracking down as promised on the toxic gambling ads that pollute football coverage on TV.

Islam has been attacking the west since its foundation.
It is a missionary zeal driven by Mohammad writing in the Koran;
Kill, convert or tax the infidel.
They have been attacking Europe for 1400 years so it is no wonder
that there has been retaliation. It was not just invasion, some
millions of Europeans were taken as slaves and sold in the Nth African
slave markets.
So don't worry about the poor muslims, they were worse than anything
the rest of the world did to them.

EJ,

Defund religious schooling ? Yes, as an atheist who had 100% public schooling, yes. And along with that, outlaw segregation of boys and girls in school classes or assemblies, outlaw the wearing of any distinguishing clothing such as hijabs, no involvement of religious figures of any sort in any schools, no religious curricula, and no different curricula by gender - and so on.

Freedom of belief should be available for everyone, but it is a private right, one which should make no demands on any public funds. Freedom of belief suggests the obligation of believers alone to fund it with no outside assistance. Perhaps the same should go for cultural centres and activities.

You know it's right.

Joe

SD,

The ABC (my preferred news source) reports that Russian planes in Syria have bombed ten hospitals in rebel-held territory in the past ten days.

So can we expect a spate of bombings in Russia ? I don't think so, because the rebels involved are not particularly Muslim, simply yearning for democratic rights, which are opposed by Islam, Assad's Syria AND Russia. Those rebels, no matter how much they are bombed by the Russians, won't drive trucks into innocent crowds, or stab people on bridges, or blow up kids at a concert. Your Islamist mates might though, at the drop of a hat.

Please ! Nobody drop your hats !

Joe