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Dastardly remains in the Parliament, why?
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 6:09:13 PM
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Shadow you try to maka witha de funny ah!
"Labor councils and MP's take personal bribes from developers for favours" No less than a conga line of 13 Liberals had to front the NSW ICAC for doing exactly what you accuse Labor of. Everything developers want is approved by the Liberal government. After the mandatory back door donation to the slush fund of course. The former Liberal primer Mike Baird hit pay dirt 5 weeks after resigning. A top paying job, $2,000,0000 p/a at NAB arranging loans for developers. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 14 December 2017 4:16:25 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux and Paul,
This link has just come up on the web: http://newmatilda.com/2017/12/13/sam-slammed-but-not-by-a-federal-anti-corruption-watchdog-notably/ It's an interesting read. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 14 December 2017 9:57:39 AM
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SR,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-31/jacqui-lambie-stoush-documents-made-public/8860314 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/jacqui-lambies-former-chiefofstaff-has-accused-her-of-excessive-alcohol-consumption/news-story/ee879192dbb5649d8357efcf2e20a646 SR and Foxy, I have been crystal clear and consistent. I don't believe that the majority of politicians are corrupt, and while a few bad apples may use their power to enrich themselves most don't, and those that do generally get caught. So I don't think that the age old tradition of companies donating to parties representing their interests should be stopped any more than voters donating money. If you want to stop corporate donations, then you have to stop union donations and union/Getup funded political activity. As for your pub test, I guess that if the Democrats made policy based on half pissed ignoramuses then there is no doubt why they collapsed. As for Andrew Robb, other than the left whinge crime making a lot of money as a private consultant in a field that he is a world leading expert, I have yet to see you level one valid claim against him. As an MP he has never taken money personally, he has never done favours for donations, and outside parliament, he has never compromised Australian interests. There is nothing to defend him against. I challenge you again to show any evidence that he has broken any law or even any ministerial conduct. Paul, Lying again!! Corruption is taking money personally in return for granting favours by abusing one's position in power, the labor MPs that faced criminal charges did just that, the liberal MPs that resigned did not. Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 14 December 2017 12:41:10 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
Those documents come from someone running an unfair dismissal case and who most certainly stands to gain from casting Lambie in the worst possible light. Indeed most of those statements were withdrawn, probably because they were not able to be properly substantiated. Even the original claims did not say Lambie was under the influence in the chamber nor that she was unable to cast her vote because she was passed out drunk like Abbott. You are going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that. As to Robb; “in a field that he is a world leading expert”. Bull dust. What field would that be? He was an “agricultural economist with the Victorian Department of Agriculture and a tutor in Economics at La Trobe University.” Not a lecturer mind you, just a tutor. “As an MP he has never taken money personally”. Yes he did. 'Coalition defends Andrew Robb after revelation he started job while an MP'. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jun/06/coalition-defends-andrew-robb-after-revelation-he-started-job-while-an-mp “he has never done favours for donations”. Really? “Companies linked to Chinese conglomerate Yuhu Group made a donation to then trade minister Andrew Robb's fundraising entity the day the trade deal was clinched.” http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/chinese-interests-play-an-increasing-role-in-australian-and-political-donations-20160517-goxl8b.html Stinks to high heaven and you know it and yet here you are defending the man. Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 14 December 2017 1:32:26 PM
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The Coalition has lost a string of members to
integrity scandals including Minister Stuart Robert, forced to resign for his lobbying of business interests in China while on an official trip. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 14 December 2017 1:54:57 PM
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Can you really be that bloody partisan?
Strewth. There is not a single bloody thing that is not on the nose about Andrew Robb's dealings with his Chinese benefactors and for you to sit there and claim all is rosy is an anathema.
Corporate donations to political parties in this country is a cancer. We hold to a tradition of separation of church and state but we desperately need to develop one around the separation of business and the state.
The reason I left the Australian Democrats was due to this very issue. The national executive had decided the party needed to play like the larger parties and then sold seats to corporations at a dinner with the senators. One of them came up to me afterward and said they needed a shower. The moral high ground the party had enjoyed was pissed up against the wall and played a very large part in the reasons for why they are no longer a force.
Andrew Robb however has so dramatically lowered the bar on this that he should be facing a corruption inquiry right now. At the very least his actions would not pass the pub test in and damn pub in the country except possibly the members at the MCG.
Come on mate. You don't have to feel like you need to defend this bloke even if he is from your side of politics.
And if you want to sling off at Lambie by saying she is mostly drunk in parliament you had better come up with some kind of proof because at the moment it reeks of unsubstantiated tripe.